How come the Devils get all the players the leafs don't want anymore.

What the hell is this?

Rielly isn't going anywhere. Especially just for picks or for any kind of offer like that.

Kerfoot is likely taken by Seattle.

Mikheyev isn't going anywhere.

Holl isn't going anywhere.

Engvall is still a very useful 4th liner, but if hes goes it's whatever.

Nylander isn't going anywhere. Especially for prospects and picks.


Why is everyone hyped up over Hamilton so much? He probably won't sign in Toronto anyways, he's not the type of guy that likes the spotlight on him & you're overspending just for a name to come to Toronto. Why not just re-sign Rielly at much cheaper than that?


Are you sure you're a Leafs fans? Cause this seems completely counter productive to what they've been doing.

All wrong.

Rielly is the new Tyson Barrie. Brodie and Sandin made him expendable. I doubt he gets a 1st round pick at this point

Kerfoot will either be traded/selected by Seattle

Mikheyev will come out of the lineup during the playoffs for Brooks and Nash. He will be traded next season considering how useless he has been this season

Holl was exposed to not be anything more than a liability and a 5th/6th defensemen outside of Muzzin. Sample size is more than enough to show that he will be traded when he played with Rielly, Dermott, and Hutton. He can't carry his own pairing if his life depends on it, and needs to rely on Muzzin to look like a top 4 defensemen

Nylander is a one dimensional player who does not fit into Dubas' philosophy anymore. Elliotte Friedman even said that if the Leafs don't have success, one of Marner or Nylander will be traded. Being first in a very weak division is not success. We expect the Leafs to be first, so it is a requirement. If the Leafs don't win the cup, then the season is a failure and changes in the core need to be considered

Dougie Hamilton is a defensemen you want on your team. The Leafs will be a joke if they re-sign Rielly

Flames need a RW

I think Mikheyev will thrive in the Devils system (look at Barabanov and the Sharks). The Leafs are very deep in terms of their forward depth, and I am also basing off the last trade when you guys wanted Andreas Johnsson

Would a Kerfoot or Mikheyev interest you?

Swap out lilhegren for bogo and that is honestly a rlly good defense. I agree Reilly has been slacking. Goaltending looks good, Myb spend an extra 500k to get someone like Dreidger or ullmark. Upfront u acc can afford Hamilton w out getting rid of nylander. I think mikheyev stays and he would be ur rw3 behind Willy. And on the left side u could have Hyman Robertson and Myb Amirov on the third line. And nash isn’t a 3c guy, I prefer I guy like haula whip will only cost an extra mil at most.

you broke him, you bought him

Oilers say thanks and waive Kerfoot because he doesn't work with the cap, but Rielly is easily worth it.

"Isn't going anywhere"

Isn't really an argument whatsoever

Especially with such an oddly confident tone

Why wouldn't Edmonton just sign Hamilton themselves, for an extra 500,000 thousand over what they would be giving Rielly and Kerfoot, they get the better defenseman and get to keep their 1rs and 3rd round picks.

There are two sides of an agreement. I chose Dougie since it's either Carolina or his home town team. Obviously he could sign elsewhere like Edmonton, but I'm giving justified locations

Yeaahhh I’m not a leafs fan (to put it mildly) but this team looks worse than the one they have right now, no? The only real upgrade is Hamilton over Reilly. Everything else is worse

Yeah... you're a Leafs troll.


Rielly has been the same thing his entire career. An elite offensive puck moving defenceman that starts the play from his own end. Without him, watch the offensive numbers of Matthews, Marner, Tavares, etc. plummet. He's the same type of player he was when he had his 70 point season and no one complained. He's 12th in points by a defenceman for a reason. Chill on the Sandin hype. He's been good, but let's not forget that he's very inexperienced. To say he's the guy to replace Rielly after 37 career games and he only has 12 points in those games is outrageously ridiculous. It's Toronto media looking for a story.

Kerfoot won't be traded because they have to meet the requirement of at least 2 players that have played a minimum amount of games over the last 2 season AND are under contract for next season. Currently only Kerfoot and Engvall meet that requirement. So Kerfoot isn't traded. He's kept and likely picked by Seattle.. which was my original comment on him.

Mikheyev is one of Toronto's top penalty killers and is signed through next year at a very good cap hit for a third line guy that can kill penalties. Do you not want the team paying defence? Have you forgotten that that's why they're so much better this year than last season -- because they play better defence? Plus Leafs management loves Mikheyev. He's not being thrown away for a garbage draft pick. Dubas traded picks away because he doesn't care about them, he wants to win. Who helps them win more -- Mikheyev or a 4th round pick that likely 3-5 years away from MAYBE making the NHL? ... Mikheyev all day.

Holl is a 4th/5th defenceman. Can play in the top 4 with a capable partner, but can't carry a pair. For his cap hit of only $2M, he's valuable to the Leafs. You say he can't play away from Muzzin, then don't play him without Muzzin? They've done a great job shutting down teams this season. They've shutdown McDavid. I think any team is smart to keep that for only $2M instead of again, throwing him away for absolute trash draft picks when the Leafs have a deep farm system and Dubas clearly doesn't care about picks right now.

Nylander is exactly the guy Dubas wants. One of the top possession players in the league that drives play, is incredible on zone entries, a top offensive talent in the league, and on a great contract for multiple years. Why would Dubas throw that away for a prospect that's 3 years away form MAYBE making the league, and a pick that's at least 5 years away? That's trash.


You trash the Leafs for being 1st in the division, but fail to look at the overall picture. The team is vastly improved in all areas of the game and you're just trolling to get under people's skin which is comical. So they're first in their division, is that bad? First time they've won the division since 1999-2000. Seems like a pretty sizeable upgrade. You call it a weak division, well sorry but they can't control their schedule. It's no reason to knock their success. They had to go up against the best player in the world 9 times this season where they normally play Edmonton only twice, and went 6-3-1 against his team while holding McDavid to under a point per game. Not many teams can say they've ever done that. That's not a failure. So call it a weak division and say it doesn't mean anything all you want, but I guess to you then McDavid getting 100 points in 56 games this season doesn't count either because it was against a weak division.

Dougie Hamilton is not the guy for Toronto. Why is he? Spend $9M on a guy that's going to regress in the later part of that contract, when you already have a great first pair of Rielly-Brodie and a great shutdown pair of Muzzin-Holl. With the style of play that Muzzin plays, he's likely to regress soon and Sandin can play the second pair while you reduce Muzzin's minutes to third pair to keep him from regressing too quick. You then keep your top pair of Rielly-Brodie together and help the forwards create more offence because they have Rielly who can move the puck out of the defensive zone with ease. You can either spend $9M on Hamilton to do that, or you can spend what like $11-$12M on a pair of Rielly-Brodie to do the same thing, and Brodie's defence is far superior to Hamilton's. I'll take 2 guys for $11M rather than spending $9M on 1 guy any day of the year.

Please troll elsewhere. Leafs fans get enough of it.

Can I read a summary of this essay plz😂

and the rangers dont, seems like you traded willy to the wrong team

You weren't in the conversation... if you don't wanna read it just don't read it?

But to summarize it if you really want..

this is a terrible thread that has no logic to it. It's either a troll job or someone overreacting to something they probably read or heard. It makes the Leafs a lot worse, going from a division winner to a fringe playoff team.

Because that have no good players of their own.
(maybe Wood and Smith...but thats it)

Rangers accept the above deal. Send Nylander to Flames. Send Lindholm or Monahan to Rangers. Sound good?

All wrong again

Rielly is far from the player you want on your team. He is the new Tyson Barrie, a defensemen who can't defend, and being outplayed by a 21 year old in Sandin. The reason why Rielly was good prior years is that he had no partner to rely on. Now that Brodie is made available, he is the new Tyson Barrie. The 70 point mark happened centuries ago, no one is talking about it. Yet you want to talk about regression in Hamilton.

Mikheyev is replaceable and overrated. He would be a 14th forward for any contending team like the Canes, VGK, and Lightning. Leafs management loved Mikheyev last season. Not so much this season

Nylander is far away from the guy Dubas wants. He is lazy, no back check, scared of playoff hockey. He practices his twirls, jumps, and figure skates while players bully the Leafs. Coming from a Leafs fan, I loved it when Romanov bodied Nylander to the ground. A few more times and maybe he stays out of the lineup come playoff time. One can only hope. He is the type of guy you do not want during the playoffs

The North is a weak division. When they play any US team, they will feed off the Leafs with a potential sweep.

Dougie Hamilton is the overall better defensemen than Rielly. He knows how to legitimately play defense and no one will push him around

Uh...Rangers Accept.

Lol. Shows how much you know..


"Centuries ago" .. it was literally 2 seasons ago

If Nylander wasn't the type of guy Dubas wanted, why did he sign him to a 6 year deal when he did and Nylander was the exact same player he was then as he is now?

I look forward to coming back to this comment when the Leafs are not swept by a US team

Man you talk about me being wrong, look at yourself.

Wrong again.

Leafs signed Nylander when his philosophy was different. Dubas wants a player who is hard to play against, and William Melander is not that. He cares more about his beauty than hockey.

The Leafs are far from contention. They won't be able to beat the Panthers either

LOL... well this says all I need to know about you. You clearly don't know how Dubas thinks.

Cheers.