Overpay

for what

Big overpay to those US team, and then hoping those guys are NHL ready in 2 plus weeks. Overpay for Gaudreau for a position that really doesn't need that much help/

Gaudreau

Detroit doesn't want those pieces. We'll take a 3rd for LGD from someone else.

Come on man 4 trades for 6 players 5 retained on REALLY!!!!! Does everyone start thinking they're working for the leafs?

uhh well Dubas' main target is a top 6 winger so I think you are mistaken. Mikheyev is not a top 6 player on a good team, same with Thornton, same with Galchenyuk. The two U.S trades are adequate in value acquired and traded. How can the Leafs be competitive this deadline if they undervalue U.S based players because they miss 2 weeks? The two weeks doesn't matter, the playoffs do.

Not sure if you know the current climate of the business of sports but with tight financial situations in many places, most GM's are expecting a money in/money out scenario, or else you will only see trades to LAK, OTT, NJD, and FLA. Retaining salary for 1.5 seasons does nothing to a non-competitive team. They receive more in return for salary retention, for cap space they won't even use.

Wings will take a 3rd for LGD and a 4th for Merrill. No retention on LGD and you can keep your other pieces

Not retaining 900k on a salary cap that has a lot of room? Wings fans are blessed that you're not in charge. You get more assets for retaining salary cap, and I'm pretty sure the Wings need future assets quite badly. Hollowell is a mid tear prospect, Kerfoot is still young and can likely play 2C in DET, or at least 2LW. LGD for Kerfoot is equal. Hollowell for Merril is equal, and tossing a fourth for LGD retention makes sense. Dubas would likely need to chip in SDA instead of a fourth, or maybe a third instead, but the concept makes sense.

Is a top six LW a main target? Could be, but please don't believe what a GM says publicly. But it's not 2 weeks. It's over two weeks as the player first have to arrive in Canada before the two weeks starts. Being in a hotel room, not being in game shape, doesn't mean an instant return against NHL opponents. But the fact is all the players are just meh players....at least year and aren't better than the players they are replacing. Is this version of Savard better than Bogosian? Jenner is not a good centre, but he can be good, though not this year at LW. Raanta on IR.

The red wings have way larger contracts then LGD that we need to retain on. So we will be retaining on them instead is the reason, it's not that we are opposed to it. We will get a 3rd for him regardless of retention, 24 teams in a playoff race right now want him. So thanks for letting me know how blessed the wings are for not having me bud.

Merrill will get us a 4th for depth dman and low salary at the deadline.

Kerfoot you can keep, we have no use for him nor want that cap hit unless you pay us to take him.

Don't care about the ahl guy who will be a 4th liner at best or never make the nhl

3rd + 4th gets you lgd and merrill or no deal and we get those assets elsewhere

The red wings have way larger contracts then LGD that we need to retain on. So we will be retaining on them instead is the reason, it's not that we are opposed to it. We will get a 3rd for him regardless of retention, 24 teams in a playoff race right now want him. So thanks for letting me know how blessed the wings are for not having me bud.

Merrill will get us a 4th for depth dman and low salary at the deadline.

Kerfoot you can keep, we have no use for him nor want that cap hit unless you pay us to take him.

Don't care about the ahl guy who will be a 4th liner at best or never make the nhl

3rd + 4th gets you lgd and merrill or no deal and we get those assets elsewhere

Raanta is scheduled to be back before the deadline anyways. Jenner is a playoff type of player because he plays very physical, its what the Leafs need on that third line. The quarantine rule sucks, but its something you have to do to make this team go from great to elite.

Okay agreed. Leafs would pitch Kerfoot, Hollowell, and a third for LGD and Merril. Thats with 900k retained on LGD for the rest of the year. You can also flip Kerfoot in the offseason for assets, because he will be given more ice time on the Wings. Seems like a decent investment for a player that has some talent, and plays really hard. He also is a good penalty killer.

We have staal, nemeth, bernier, helm all making double or more then LGD, we will need the retention for those players more then LGD. There is just way to big of a market for us to retain on such a low salary like LGD unless someone overpaid for it. You can just flip kerfoot elsewhere for assets since we don't need him. Trade him to someone who is in the playoffs and has cap space and needs a C, or use him as part of the granlund trade I keep hearing about, I'm sure Nashville could use a 3C. LGD and merrill for a 3rd and a 4th is fair for almost no salary going back the other way. 1.8 and 800k

You're missing the point, we are not going to retain on LGD at all, because we are going to use our limited number of retention trades on players with higher caphits (such as Staal, Helm, etc)

forgetting about trade values, does Toronto need to turn over 30% of its roster?

Those teams charge a premium to retain and these aren't it !!

Glendening’s remaining cap is less than 700k and will be lower at TDL so retaining 50% is minimal and those 3 retention slots would be better used on larger contracts (eg Nemeth, Bernier, Helm, Flip). Hollowell has no value to Detroit as he’s a RHD that would never see ice time here as were deep at RD and Yzerman has traded away Regula to clear the logjam. Kerfoot is overpaid in the current NHL for his role as we’ve seen comparable centers like Haula sit on the market and sign for roughly half of his AAV nor does he play 2C over Fabbri even on Detroit. If you want to structure the deal without Kerfoot it would make more sense for Detroit.

I mean, you're getting a 4th (don't think Merrill's worth that but that's besides the point) and Kerfoot+Hollowell is worth a 3rd easy. Frankly I don't see a reason for Detroit to turn it down.

Cause we aren't retaining and have no interest in kerfoot or a c prospect. I don't know why this is complicated

LGD with no retention for a 3rd

Merrill for a 4th

That's the deal that's it

Because we don't want Kerfoot, or Hollowell, we want decent picks and/or impact players. Even your 3rd is a low 3rd and I don't see that pick having a ton of potential as turning into something valuable anyways. I can see an argument that Merrill might not return a 4th in this season, since he's a bottom pairing guy. We're also not going to retain on LGD. Make it LGD(no retention) and Merrill for a 3rd and a 5th and I'd take that deal. If you want us to take Kerfoot off your hands as a throw in to offset some salary, fine, we'll take him I guess, but that's a throw away to us, not an asset.

Ok, the leafs would rather keep Kerfoot and Hollowell anyways because they are valuable assets. LGD and Merrill for a 3rd and a 5th would work.

Truth is that Kerfoot is better than both players, but his cap fit does not fit in Toronto's plans. Hollowel is worth the same as Merril. LGD is worth less than Kerfoot, but comparing the contracts would allow Detroit to not give up assets in return. The retention would land Detroit a 3rd or a 4th, or a prospect equivalent like SDA or Dmitri Ovechnikov.