Quoting: csick
i dont think Nashville sends Johansen and a 1st
They are paying 8 mil a year for a guy who was on pace for 43 points last year and 32 this year.
I'm not sure they want to keep him around. That's a lot to pay for that level of production. I know he'll only be 29 but that's a steep 2 year decline. I'm not sure they keep that contract this offseason. They might be better off going after another target with that 8 million and try to be competitive. I don't imagine they want a full rebuild at this point, just a retool.
Quoting: mike384
This would be a ridiculous move. I'm missing the logic there. Why the hell would Seattle do this? ... Even if they received the 1st and Johansen from NSH, then they would just lose their mind and retained money for 4 years and trade Johansen for a player they could get for free.
there could be a sweetener here like a 2nd or something but this is about use of cap.
RyJo has really declined the past 2 years. You either keep 8 mil in cap for a guy who has really declined, or you retain half of it and get a guy who's playing well and still useful at his cap hit.
You have to understand the context of it. 8 mil for a guy on a 32 point pace is ugly. You don't take that on for 4 years unless you can move a large part of it. The 1st is basically the pay for the retention. Matheson becomes the guy added in to make the cap hit work, and gives Seattle a decent defenseman at a decent cap hit. Which is better than carrying the other 4 million of a player who appears to be dropping off the cliff. It's basically saying, 4 mil of something useful vs 4 mil of something not useful. The penguins wouldn't give Matheson away for nothing, that's just delusional. He's a much better player than that.
From the penguins perspective it's a gamble but they need a 3C and at this point they need to play the risk reward game as they aren't going to find one in the offseason. You hope he can rebound in a smaller role so you aren't stuck with a 4x4 cap hit on a declined player.
so it's not "losing" their mind. It's capinomics. Using their cap space to take a cap dump for a 1st, and then flipping him for a useful player.
Because I don't see Seattle taking on an 8 mil cap hit for a guy playing at a 32 point pace. Even with a 1st. I do see them retaining 4 mil on a guy for a 1st. Could be NSH retains a little here too. Who knows.
But it seems like a win for all 3 teams to work something of this nature out. As NSH is probably looking at that cap hit and cringing at this point. Seattle could use the 1st, and the penguins are in dire need for a 3C.