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Créé par: jl639s
Équipe: 2020-21 Predators de Nashville
Date de création initiale: 14 mars 2021
Publié: 14 mars 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
NSH
  1. Andersen, Frederik
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Robertson, Nicholas
  4. Sandin, Rasmus
  5. Vesey, Jimmy
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
  7. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
2nd in 2022 becomes a 1st if Leafs make finals in 2021 or 2022
TOR
  1. Ekholm, Mattias (1 750 000 $ retained)
  2. Forsberg, Filip (3 000 000 $ retained)
  3. Granlund, Mikael (750 000 $ retained)
  4. Saros, Juuse
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14 mars 2021 à 21 h 30
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Don't know what the Leafs are hearing out. I'd take this in a heartbeat if I were them
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14 mars 2021 à 21 h 32
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Don't know what the Leafs are hearing out. I'd take this in a heartbeat if I were them


No, we arent moving sandin or robertson
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 40
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If the Leafs are going all in this year, I think it could work
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14 mars 2021 à 21 h 44
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Saros is injured and he isn' better than Anderson. Granlund isn't special. So now it's 1.5 years of Forsberg and Ekholm. Leafs lose current players on their roster and then have to wait weeks for players to those 4 players even to practice. Doesn't sound like a plan for the Leqfrs
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 45
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Saros is injured and he isn' better than Anderson. Granlund isn't special. So now it's 1.5 years of Forsberg and Ekholm. Leafs lose current players on their roster and then have to wait weeks for players to those 4 players even to practice. Doesn't sound like a plan for the Leqfrs


Saros is probably returning next week. The rest of your analysis is opinion. I won’t argue with you but will tell you my opinion is quite different from yours.
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 47
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Saros is probably returning next week. The rest of your analysis is opinion. I won’t argue with you but will tell you my opinion is quite different from yours.


You think they don't have to wait weeks in quarantine before even practicing? Or that Ekholm's and Forsberg's contracts are magically going to spawn extra term? That doesn't seem like opinion....
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 47
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Don't know what the Leafs are hearing out. I'd take this in a heartbeat if I were them


Leafs fans (as you can see) will disagree. They always want something for nothing.
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 49
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Both teams are giving up basically all of their most prized trade chips. Does either side feel their getting enough value for it? I don't think I like it for the Preds or Leafs. It's too big.
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You think they don't have to wait weeks in quarantine before even practicing? Or that Ekholm's and Forsberg's contracts are magically going to spawn extra term?


Not sure what quarantine has to do with anything. And yes the term part is fact. I figured that goes without saying but clearly I have too much credit
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 50
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Both teams are giving up basically all of their most prized trade chips. Does either side feel their getting enough value for it? I don't think I like it for the Preds or Leafs. It's too big.


Absolutely. Mostly for fun and to watch leafs fans talk about what an overpayment it was

Preds would be better off splitting them all up into different trades and pulling in more assets
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 51
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Not sure what quarantine has to do with anything. And yes the term part is fact. I figured that goes without saying but clearly I have too much credit


Just saying, you thought the rest of his post was opinion when everything but Granlund seems to be based on facts, not opinion. Apparently you were giving yourself too much credit.
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 51
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Quoting: Byrr
Just saying, you thought the rest of his post was opinion when everything but Granlund seems to be based on facts, not opinion. Apparently you were giving yourself too much credit.


I’d take Saros over Anderson. Opinion.
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 53
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They'd be trading away potentially 4 out of 5 years worth of 1st round picks plus other assets for Forsberg (awesome), Ekholm (also awesome, but would be playing 3rd pairing minutes and then likely getting taken by Seattle), Granlund (who is a UFA), and a tandem goalie. In a vacuum, the value probably isn't that bad, but I don't think there is any feasibility here.
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14 mars 2021 à 21 h 54
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This is an NBA trade.
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14 mars 2021 à 21 h 55
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
They'd be trading away potentially 4 out of 5 years worth of 1st round picks plus other assets for Forsberg (awesome), Ekholm (also awesome, but would be playing 3rd pairing minutes and then likely getting taken by Seattle), Granlund (who is a UFA), and a tandem goalie. In a vacuum, the value probably isn't that bad, but I don't think there is any feasibility here.


100% this trade never happens. But I appreciate you see the value is, at the least, close. I do think Ekholm plays top 4 minutes on that team and I think putting Fil and Gran with Mathews, Tavares, Nylander and Marner the best top 6 in the league. Even better than Tampa (although they are ridiculously stacked too)
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 56
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This is an NBA trade.


I wish we got NBA trades in the NHL lol would make the TDL even more fun
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 56
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I’d take Saros over Anderson. Opinion.


That is an opinion, and what would seem like a bad one when you look at the numbers. Andersen currently is at -1.3 goals saved above expected. Saros is ... hold on a sec, ive got to scroll down .... -6.0. This while Andersen plays in 75% of games and Saros plays in less than half. Saros is currently running a worse save % and GAA too. There shouldn't be a doubt who is the better goalie there.
14 mars 2021 à 21 h 58
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That is an opinion, and what would seem like a bad one when you look at the numbers. Andersen currently is at -1.3 goals saved above expected. Saros is ... hold on a sec, ive got to scroll down .... -6.0. This while Andersen plays in 75% of games and Saros plays in less than half. There shouldn't be a doubt who is the better goalie there.


It is opinion. That’s why i said “opinion”. Again, figured that explained it but apparently not. Imagine not taking into consideration the different caliber in teams these goalies play for. It’s ALMOST like you don’t understand hockey.
14 mars 2021 à 22 h 0
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100% this trade never happens. But I appreciate you see the value is, at the least, close. I do think Ekholm plays top 4 minutes on that team and I think putting Fil and Gran with Mathews, Tavares, Nylander and Marner the best top 6 in the league. Even better than Tampa (although they are ridiculously stacked too)


Has Ekholm played significant time on the right? I've been told by other Preds fans that he hasn't and I don't see him displacing Rielly or Muzzin on the left. That top 6 would be sick, though.
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14 mars 2021 à 22 h 0
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It is opinion. That’s why i said “opinion”. Again, figured that explained it but apparently not. Imagine not taking into consideration the different caliber in teams these goalies play for. It’s ALMOST like you don’t understand hockey.


Thats why I included goals saved above expected. It uses the expected goals model, or where shots are coming from to put it in layman's terms, to measure a goalies performance. There isn't a worse team argument to be made here. Its almost like you don't understand hockey.

You posted an opinion and thats fine. The problem is when you research into that opinion, it clearly shows that it was an ill informed one.
14 mars 2021 à 22 h 4
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Thats why I included goals saved above expected. It uses the expected goals model, or where shots are coming from, to measure a goalies performance. There isn't a worse team argument to be made here. Its almost like you don't understand hockey.


I guess we can keep watching Anderson play and find out.
14 mars 2021 à 22 h 5
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I guess we can keep watching Anderson play and find out.


We probably should have known better than to listen to a guy who can't even get his name right.
14 mars 2021 à 22 h 25
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Thats why I included goals saved above expected. It uses the expected goals model, or where shots are coming from to put it in layman's terms, to measure a goalies performance. There isn't a worse team argument to be made here. Its almost like you don't understand hockey.

You posted an opinion and thats fine. The problem is when you research into that opinion, it clearly shows that it was an ill informed one.


I agree that Saros is off to a rough start this year (which happens every year with him for some reason), but is this season the only one that matters? Because if we look at the past couple of seasons, it's a different story when comparing the two. He's also a bit cheaper than Freddy. Not saying the Leafs take this, but I don't know that the Preds love it either.
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14 mars 2021 à 22 h 26
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Saros is probably returning next week. The rest of your analysis is opinion. I won’t argue with you but will tell you my opinion is quite different from yours.


I know you may not like opinion, but geez can't Nashville fans trade their players to anyone but the Leafs? Is there no market for these Nashville players to any other teams?
14 mars 2021 à 22 h 29
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I agree that Saros is off to a rough start this year (which happens every year with him for some reason), but is this season the only one that matters? Because if we look at the past couple of seasons, it's a different story when comparing the two. He's also a bit cheaper than Freddy. Not saying the Leafs take this, but I don't know that the Preds love it either.


Well if we look at the past 2 seasons as well, Saros was better for 1 of them while Freddy was the better goalie 2 seasons ago. 1 of 3, not a good look. If we look at those seasons, Saros was better by being just above league average. The only above average season of the 6 we look at has come from Andersen. Neither of these goalies are setting the world on fire but if you had to choose one after looking at the numbers, it would probably be Andersen.
 
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