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Leafs - Win Now Trade with VGS

Créé par: justin2_m
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 14 mars 2021
Publié: 14 mars 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
You know what the kids say, YOLO.
Transactions
TOR
  1. Fleury, Marc-André (37 634 $ retained)
  2. Marchessault, Jonathan
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
VGK
  1. Andersen, Frederik
  2. Nylander, William
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2021
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2022
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2023
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $77 462 241 $0 $0 $4 037 759 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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700 000 $700 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 3
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Golden Knights de Vegas
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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1 645 000 $1 645 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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700 000 $700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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737 500 $737 500 $
AG
UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Golden Knights de Vegas
3 462 366 $3 462 366 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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874 125 $874 125 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
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725 000 $725 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
821 667 $821 667 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AG, AD
RFA - 4
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DG
UFA - 1

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14 mars 2021 à 11 h 25
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I wouldn't wanna lose Nylander right now
14 mars 2021 à 11 h 26
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Value wise, I think this is a fair trade. In fact, I think both teams might win here
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14 mars 2021 à 11 h 29
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Last time I checked Lehner was hurt, so why does Vegas trade Fleury for a question mark at goalie? I get that there are other parts to this trade, but add doubt in net right now isn’t a strategy any team with cup hopes should be doing.
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14 mars 2021 à 11 h 31
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Quoting: Caniac555
Last time I checked Lehner was hurt, so why does Vegas trade Fleury for a question mark at goalie? I get that there are other parts to this trade, but add doubt in net right now isn’t a strategy any team with cup hopes should be doing.


Lehner is in conditioning, practicing with the AHL roster right now, it sounds like he will be ready to play for the playoffs in an even better state than before.
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14 mars 2021 à 11 h 32
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Quoting: Caniac555
Last time I checked Lehner was hurt, so why does Vegas trade Fleury for a question mark at goalie? I get that there are other parts to this trade, but add doubt in net right now isn’t a strategy any team with cup hopes should be doing.


If Vegas trusted Fleury they wouldn’t have traded and resigned Lehner
14 mars 2021 à 11 h 38
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To me...Lehner/Fleury combo sounds 1000% more competitive than a Lehner/Andersen combo

Quoting: justin2_m
Lehner is in conditioning, practicing with the AHL roster right now, it sounds like he will be ready to play for the playoffs in an even better state than before.
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14 mars 2021 à 11 h 38
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This is a straw man argument. If Andersen could be trusted - why would the leafs trade him?

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If Vegas trusted Fleury they wouldn’t have traded and resigned Lehner
14 mars 2021 à 11 h 40
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Vegas has really no reason to do this.
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14 mars 2021 à 11 h 44
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Quoting: Caniac555
This is a straw man argument. If Andersen could be trusted - why would the leafs trade him?


I see your point, but don’t agree. It’s possible to trade away a guy they don’t trust, and for the other team to take a chance on him. That happens all the time.

In this case, Vegas has wanted to trade Fleury since the end of last season and they get a guy who’s contract ends st the end of this season. They may believe Lehner is due back soon.

Leafs get a goalie that may get them to the final four
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14 mars 2021 à 11 h 56
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Quoting: jl639s
Vegas has really no reason to do this.


There's about a 6 year age difference between the players being traded (Fleury - 36, Anderson - 31; Marchessault - 30, Nylander - 24). Instead of Vegas having 2 starting goalies, you shift to having a starter and a solid backup. They move that cap upfront into a player who will continually improve over the next few years, especially with the help of Vegas' exceptional training facilities. You also upgrade a late 2nd round pick to a late 1st which just acts as the cherry on top. It's also a cap neutral trade which means neither team gains or loses any cap space.
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14 mars 2021 à 11 h 57
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I think the underlying point I’m making is this isn’t the year nor time to be making trades like this with Goalies.

I doubt there is much movement at all with goalies from here on out.

Quoting: sedin33
I see your point, but don’t agree. It’s possible to trade away a guy they don’t trust, and for the other team to take a chance on him. That happens all the time.

In this case, Vegas has wanted to trade Fleury since the end of last season and they get a guy who’s contract ends st the end of this season. They may believe Lehner is due back soon.

Leafs get a goalie that may get them to the final four
14 mars 2021 à 12 h 7
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Quoting: Caniac555
I think the underlying point I’m making is this isn’t the year nor time to be making trades like this with Goalies.

I doubt there is much movement at all with goalies from here on out.


Fair enough.
14 mars 2021 à 12 h 19
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I heff to be mad...
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Nah
14 mars 2021 à 12 h 25
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Leafs suck
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So Vegas trades a vezina contender for a much worse goalie and gets nylander who’s not much better than marchessault in return? Why would they do this?
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14 mars 2021 à 12 h 28
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Quoting: justin2_m
There's about a 6 year age difference between the players being traded (Fleury - 36, Anderson - 31; Marchessault - 30, Nylander - 24). Instead of Vegas having 2 starting goalies, you shift to having a starter and a solid backup. They move that cap upfront into a player who will continually improve over the next few years, especially with the help of Vegas' exceptional training facilities. You also upgrade a late 2nd round pick to a late 1st which just acts as the cherry on top. It's also a cap neutral trade which means neither team gains or loses any cap space.


They move from an early 2nd to a late 1st. A wash. They move from a very good goalie to a not very good goalie. And they move from a goal scorer to a slightly better goal scorer. They are slightly better later but not any better today. They are in win now mode. Makes no sense.
14 mars 2021 à 12 h 30
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Vegas really gets nothing out of it, and if losing Nylander is the cost for a marginal upgrade in net, that's a cost the Leafs are certainly not going to pay.
14 mars 2021 à 12 h 51
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Quoting: mauston_atthews
So Vegas trades a vezina contender for a much worse goalie and gets nylander who’s not much better than marchessault in return? Why would they do this?


I would suggest the same reason Vegas traded Statsny and Schmidt. Andersen is coming off the books this summer, Fleury isn't. WPG and VAN gave up little to get those roster players from Vegas.
 
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