if the Coyotes get someone that can help them now for OEL its either gonna be a center or someone a lot younger than Oshie

Hershey forward lines, I don't know. Presumably start with Moulson and Sgarbossa.

Defense:
Nardella-Alexeyev
Johnson-Johansen
Geisser-TBD

Goalies:
Johansson
Fucale

Thanks. I was under the impression the Coyotes had a couple of young top-six centers developing really well in Dvorak and Schmaltz, with some great veterans in Stepan, Soderberg, and Richardson? What kind of centers are they looking for? What would that look like?

Buffalo has no use for Hagelin or Copley. They have no reason to just give away assets for pieces they cannot use. For one thing Hagelin isn’t worth Johansson alone, you want a good defensive prospect too? Just ridiculous

Sabres would decline both trades.
They probably would want a forward or just draft picks for a Montour trade. And Johnson is a first rounder they shouldn’t move him.

A Sabres fan posted a trade for them. This is a counteroffer.

Why I think they're valuable:

Hagelin led the Caps' PK in SHTOI, and the Caps were 6th in PK%. That looks like a need for Buffalo, this year. Hagelin also usually gets 30 points on a checking line, which is nice. But mostly he's just one of the fastest skaters on the Caps and I don't think they actively try to trade him.

Copley played as Holtby's backup in 18-19. He posted a .905 and 2.80 GAA. He tied for 36th in wins (with 16) with Ward, Hart, Quick, and Khudobin, even though they all played more games. Try getting any of them at a $1.1M cap hit, though. Under a flat cap, Copley is probably not going to be traded, either.

Johansson has played in six games and is a good prospect. Johnson is also a good prospect. Montour is a terrific defenseman. I wouldn't suggest a trade if I didn't have a lot of respect for them.

I mean, I'm responding to a Sabres post of Copley and Hagelin for Montour, and Hagelin is a forward. I just explained why Copley is valuable above, but a good comparable might be Barclay Goodrow: each is good but not spectacular at an unheralded defensive position and has a very low cap hit for the next two years, at a time when the cap is not expected to go up next summer. Personally, goalie is worth more than third-line left wing, by about double, so at the trade deadline, if he shows a little improvement and the cap shows no signs of increasing, Copley might be worth two 1sts. At this point, two decent prospects seems fine. Or a good RHD.


edit: While I'm grateful for any feedback, it's funny to me when fans of a team shoot down the second half of a conversation, but ignore the beginning. Like, if I don't want the Caps trading for Jack Johnson, and some other Caps fan posts Jack Johnson trades, shouldn't I politely ask why in his thread, rather than waiting until Pittsburgh posts a counteroffer?

Soderberg and Richardson will most likely not be back , Stepan is on the trade block , and Dvorak and Schmaltz are developing but most likely both will be end up being 2Cs and the Coyotes have wanted a 1C caliber player for a while but barely any ever make the market and a 1C to Coyotes will proabably be more than OEL heading back the other way

Probably a lot more. Backstrom isn't moving, and Eller isn't a 1C. Of the fourteen guys with more points in a single playoffs than Kuznetsov, six were named "Wayne Gretzky." So Kuznetsov would cost a ton, even with OEL. Maybe something like this? https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1958304

Or, Eller just about straight up, might be worth OEL. checking center off a Cup team, but Eller ranked 48th among centers this year in even strength points, while playing on a checking line. I think adding him lets Stepan move back up to the top line and get more points. Not sure if the value is right. https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1960201

But it seems like a place to start, if center is the immediate need. What do you think? Does either make any sense for Arizona?

Not all Sabres fans are entirely knowledgeable of what the team actually needs. Sometimes they simply think change is good for the simple fact of change, and that is not true. Buffalo already has more left wingers than they can use. There is no room for Hagelin. They could use a RW, but he isn’t one. Copley isn’t much better than Johansson, and will cost more money and assets to acquire. I also doubt they plan to simply bury Hutton, and I don’t see anyone trading for him. So I expect them to ride with Hutton and Ullmark for the year.

As for a cheap RW, what do you think of Travis Boyd? Seems like a good two-way player by production and penalty killing stats, but he's never had enough ice time to really know how good he is.

I actually don’t know much about him. He seems like a third line guy to me, and that we have plenty of already. If we can get a top six capable right winger that would be ideal if it weren’t too costly to do it.

I would be in favor of using Dylan Cozens as the right wing 2nd line with Staal and Skinner for his rookie season, if we don’t find a veteran to take that spot. People want him to be the third line center, but I think Casey Mittelstadt will take that spot. Too many fans have already written him off and they’re prepared to trade him for just about anything. Personally I think all he needs to do is score 20 to 30 points as a third line center this year and he will be perfectly fine. Cozens can take part time center duty on the line with Mittelstadt and Kahun if we acquire a top 6 RW.

Boyd and Panik play mostly right wing for WSH and were 4th and 5th on the team in points/60. Not sure if that means they keep up scoring 2 points per 60 minutes of even strength, in bigger minutes, but if you play them 15 minutes a game and they do, you get 41 points apiece, plus power plays. Make sense?

Panik has had a 40 point season but comes with a higher cap hit. Both can kill penalties. Either can play all three forward spots in a pinch. Boyd could be next year's Barclay Goodrow.

@Tjm220
@Eli

I love reading threads between two people who actually follow hockey.
You both make good points and do not react negatively to other AGM's comments.
Eli knows the Sabres better than most Sabre fans who post on here.
Mittelstadt is not bust yet
Cozens could very easily be the #2 RW.
Montour is a good defenseman.
Hutton started off the season setting a record for most saves while recording a shut out, then he could not follow the puck and had a 12 game stretch where he was awful with 4.0+ SV%
I have heard rumors Adams is discussing GK with other GM's so I see where you Eli thought Copley could fit the bill.
While I do not know how to value Haglin in the past few years he has been traded for Perron and Pearson. A couple of pretty good forwards.
So let me ask you both, Montour for Kempný, who needs to add?
Buffalo sheds some cap, and gets a LHD with a ring.
I am not sure if Buffalo would want to take on Hagelin's salary, but he would be great as the 4th line LW.
I hope Adams would not be trading futures for present day results. Murray did that and we were able to draft Dahlin.
I look forward to your comments.

EDIT to @Tjm220
Olofsson Eichel Reinhart
Skinner Staal Cozens
Kahun Mittelstadt Okposo
Hagelin Lazar Thompson

Dahlin Miller
McCabe Ristolainen
Kempný Jokiharju

Just a tad better than last year, or any year between 2014 and 2020

You're too kind. Thanks so much!

Montour for Kempny? Caps win that on age and offense. Sabres win it on PK and defense/puck possession. Yeah, Kempny assisted on the Cup-winning goal, but to get back, some Caps fans would like to see them add some skill. I think under a flat cap I can't really say who wins the trade without some idea of what kind of a raise Montour is looking for. If his q.o. is his 2019-20 actual salary of 3.52M, then the Caps take on 1M of salary. If he's willing to take that for three or four years, I think the Caps add a 5th round pick. If he does not want his Q.O. with term, the Sabres might have to add a tiny bit, just because of flat cap economics.

Am I saying that Copley is more valuable than Kempny? This year, yes, and for 1,400,000 reasons.

No I am not being too kind, both of you made excellent points and listened to each other.
That is very uncommon on this site.

I think Krueger has buggered the salaries of Sheary, Rodrigues, Vesey and Montour.
So IMO Montour will receive only a qualifying offer.

I sort of thought Kempny had more value than these trades:
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/355946
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/344591

I personally value Montour a bit more than Kempny, so I asked for your POV.
I am not sure if the Caps need a RHD as much as the Sabres need a LHD.
One never knows why GM's make trades.
So I could see one for one.

One of those posts is from a Sabres fan, playing around. The other is from a Caps fan who thinks Ottawa will trade their top center prospect for a 30 year old with one 40 point season who spent half of last year in Reirden's dog house.

But the Kempny trade in the second one didn't get an answer one way or another from Florida fans because their team is on a budget and isn't taking on salary. So that's an example of how strongly cap hit affects value right now, and why Kempny is temporarily a one-for-one with Montour. Because the big return is a million dollars in cap space. The big thing the Caps give up in a one for one of Kempny for Montour is the chance to start the year with 23 guys on their roster.

eta: If you want something added, feel free to ask. Cap space is valuable this summer. I don't think the Caps have a bad player on their roster, but cap space is a puzzle.