Hey, a trade to Detroit that actually seems reasonable. There might be a few minor tweaks to that, but at least your valuation seems fair. I would be ok with that trade as a Wings fan.

I like this trade as a Detroit fan... Can someone from Philly please enlighten me why Ghost is on the block or why wings fans shouldn't want him?

thx for your feedback

He's on the block because Flyers have tons of LHD (Provorov, Sanheim, Hägg, Zamula, York, Morin) and his defensive abilities tend to be at AHL-level and he had some injury issues the past 2 years or so.

People tend to overvalue their players and/or send back things that don't fit the other teams needs on here way too often, it's refreshing to see one that some actual thought was put into. Well done.

To be fair, ghost is a shadow of himself since his knee surgey and was a healthy scratch multiple times over the last 2 seasons as well as this playoffs. His cap hit is now something you will have to pay to get rid of. Ghost + 2020 2nd + 2022 2nd for perlini is all we would except. We are not taking bad contracts for free at this time

Ok, seems to me that u like gambling How about that: Detroit takes Ghost + 2020 2nd + 2022 2nd. Forget about Perlini, Flyers have enough similar prospects and no space for him. Instead of Perlini i would take your 2020 5th + a conditional pick in 2021; conditions are:
7th when at least 30 games played or healthy scratch;
6th when at least 60 games played or healthy scratch;
5th (like 6th) + 10 pts scored;
4th (like 6th) + 20 pts;
3rd 30 pts or higher;
2nd 45 pts or higher;
1st 50 pts + 1 point per game or higher
If Ghost is as bad as u assume, u get two 2nd round picks for one 5th; if he is as good as i know he can be, u'll pay

btw: 2 examples y draft is like gambling (imo)
- u can have the 2nd pick overall but get nothing except potential that doesn't show up due to on-ice struggling and injury issues (Patrick)
- comparison of 2 LD, one drafted 18th overall, the other 20th overall in subsequent years
a) 205gp, 119p, -44
b) 88gp, 24p, -46
The first is Chabot, the second Cholowski. And that's y i think Rubtsov + 4th + 7th in a deep draft has more value then a 2nd now + a 2nd in 2 years.

Yeah that makes sense from a Philly perspective. Do you think he still has value on a team like Det who lacks LH D, especially on the Offensive side. Think he could still qb a PP on an atrocious Detroit team? Perhaps mentor young D too?

Honestly I don't understand the Nolan Patrick deal. You are selling him at his lowest value when we can just sign him back for really cheap, and possibly have him return and be a good player. He could fizzle out due to the migraine disorder, but that trade return doesn't inspire me enough to risk him turning into a number 2 overall potential with someone else. I'd rather resign him for pennies and see what happens.

I mean if you break down both deals you traded:
Nolan Patrick, Jay O'brien, Nathan Noel and a 2nd
for
Scott Mayfield and a 4th.
Just doesn't seem like good asset management.

The other deals are okay. I would use a b level prospect, a 2nd to try and dump JVR (with retention). No need in keeping him on if we aren't going to use him at all. If we keep him, I can guarantee there will be a push to make sure he is in the lineup at least during the season to try keep from pushing his value any lower than it already it is.

When healthy he is good enough for 1st line minutes in Detroit, maybe u'll have to pair him with a "def-1st" d-man. QB the PP is a no-brainer, definitely yes. About the mentoring aspect i'm not sure; i would tend to say no.

I like your thinking, but after everything, I'm still going to take my chances in the draft with the 2 2nds, it's how yzerman builds and I like his style. I like having the collateral of the draft picks as well. I think rubstov never plays in the nhl personally. You can elect not to sign erne or perlini whichever you take back in the trade, it was just a player contract we moved out when taking ghost

I see your point and yes there are hard pills to swallow. But i don't rate Patricks value at his lowest. If we resign him for cheap and the injury issues continue and/or he's struggling on-ice, then his value will be even lower than now.
Furthermore we get more back than Mayfield (whose contract is insane in a flat-cap-world) and a 4th; we're getting cap space to sign Pietrangelo.
Regarding JVR i see no need to ship him out now (especially not with 2.5mio retention or so). We will have to pay for him to get him off the books. So why not keep him 1 more year, giving us some depth and taking off some pressure of the younger guys when they are struggling? In 1 year we can pay Seattle with a prospect + pick(s) to select him and we have no headaches who we should protect.

Ok, i see your point but Ghost + 2020 2nd + 2022 2nd going your way and nothing going the other way is not how a trade works. I'm willing to pay but i need a small future asset coming back to the Flyers i.e. late pick or B-prospect (in my understanding a prospect is on entry-level-contract or even hasn't been signed).

You can have malte setkoff and Joe hicketts

We don't need more LD prospects. Something RH would be nice ... how about Tuomisto? With Hronek and Seider in the system u won't need that much RD?

Not trading him, he is killing it overseas and one of yzermans first picks. Rather have him then ghost

Not sure what u mean? "Killing it overseas"? He has 0 (zero) pro games played. In the U20 teams he's averaging a point-per-game ... nice but not overwhelming. And the question is not he or Ghost, the question is he or two 2nd round picks

I get it but the 2nd round picks are to give you salary cap relief. You can use it elsewhere and better your team. Flyers are close and have a ton of talent in the prospect world right now. 2 2nds hurt then 0% and help the signs 100%. Ghost hurts the flyers on the ice and with the cap. I ret wouldn't give anything of significance to take his contract. This is why I'm barely offering anything. I'm also ok with just walking away from the deal and the flyers can keep his cap hit and it wouldn't affect the wings in anyway. I think the 5M in cap space could help you in many ways, the 2 2nds if they did help wouldn't be for years

True ... so at least (without studying your reserve list in all details) i would accept setkov + hicketts + the rights to perlini/erne ... maybe they have some value in an upcoming deal ..