Lol, you think JR will have 1st round picks

Flames probably need another 6th rounder since you only offered two of them

Johnson is a brutal contract. It would take a first to dump him. Just the way she goes

Yeah just like it did with Gudbranson

"I question whether you have even looked at our trade block surplus. We could live with what you are sending us, but this is not ideal. Your offer is woefully insufficient when I consider value for what you are asking in return."

difference is Gudbranson:
(a) had just 2 years on his contract left, while Johnson has 3
(b) was like 27 at the time and still had some potential upside to rebound a bit and for that reason could be seen as worth taking a chance on for a rebuilding team that doesn't need cap space, while Johnson is 33 and declining

Yeah so that means a 1st rounder for a guy whose $3 million against the cap? $2 million if you send him down. What trade are you basing that off of?

Gudbranson is actually a competent NHL defenseman, just over paid, but on the right side of 30 and with a much shorter contract...

3.25 million to sit in the press box for 3 years, or best case scenario be on a bad 3rd pair isn't something owners are willing to pay without a damn good reason. All the teams that spend a lot right now plan on being playoff teams in the next 3 years, and therefore don't want a long term cap dump. Less wealthy teams would have to be heavily incentivized to take him on. Any team that wants to be in the playoffs in the next 3 years won't want to take on 3 years of 3.25M being taken off their cap without a major bonus for doing so. Most owners also don't want to spend that kind of money on a buried contract in the AHL

Yup. Josh Manson was injured, and the Ducks were still clinging to hope.

Plus, good on GMBM for finding Gudbranson for nothing when the market for RD's was extremely limited (as it continues to be). His possession stats on a team that struggled defensively were actually very impressive.

Jack Johnson's numbers? Yikes.

He's owed $8.25 million over the next 3 years. You realize that the team acquiring him still has to pay that, right? It's not really a case of "Oh heyyyy, let me help you create some cap space by taking Jack Johnson for absolutely nothing of value! I'll also cover the cash owed. Have a great day Jim!"

Gudbranson was a million times better than Johnson in Pittsburgh.

Detroit is not going to be in the playoffs in the next two years at least. Same with Ottawa, and Anaheim. If the Penguins offered me a 3rd and a depth player I liked for Johnson I'd at least consider it since we don't need the cap space because we suck

That's not the point fellas. The point is I remember coming on this site every day and seeing trades for Gudbranson where we'd have to give up a bunch of assets to trade him because no one wanted him and he sucked and what do you know we gave up nothing to trade him. We're not getting a 7th for Johnson because Gudbranson has more value but saying we have to give up a 1st to get rid of Johnson is ridiculous. I'd rather just send him down and free up $1 million that way

At least for Ottawa it isn't just the cap. It's the money.

Yeah at an annual cap hit of like $2 million if you send him down. Who the hell is Detroit gonna sign for $2 million that would put them in the playoffs in the next three years?

Well yeah maybe not Ottawa since Melnyk is a stinky hat

Detroit has guys like Larkin and Bertuzzi and Mantha and Hronek to resign over the next 3 years. I think they are much closer to being good that people think. Ottawa is definitely much closer than people think, and in 2 or 3 years absolutely should be competing for a playoff spot - but regardless, why would Melnyk spend money on JJ? Anaheim is also much closer than people think, with Zegras - Steel - Lundstrom down the middle. They absolutely should have faith that their rebuild will stay on track and that they'll compete for playoffs in 2-3 years, especially if they get Drysdale/Rossi/Raymond at #6. If there was considerable incentive such as a 1st rounder or at least a 2nd + B level prospect

...but they still have to pay him $8.25 million...That's a lot of money for a guy that isn't going to do F all for the team that aquires him. You're talking as if it's just a cap hit. It's not.

Just want to point out that I find it funny that the father/son avatars are arguing with each other.

Detroit had 39 points this year and you think they're close to contending. I'm done dude

All we need is J-roc and the Roc pile to come in and this thread will officially be chaos

Alright then I guess we'll just send him down then save $1 million and not have to give up a ****ing 1st rounder to get rid of a guy who makes $2 million a year.

I don't think they are close to contending, but they're close to competing for a playoff spot. Avalanche went 22–56–4 in 82 games in 2016-17, look at them 2-3 years later. Great thing about this league is that successfully rebuilding through the draft is very effective.

They've got great young talent: top line C in Larkin, top line W's in Mantha, Bertuzzi, soon to be Zadina. Got Veleno coming up, and Fabbri as a great young 3rd liner. On D they've got Hronek and Seider, and they've got #4OA this year. If they finish bottom 3 again next year and get Aatu Raty or Owen Power as another top C/D and draft Drysdale/Rossi this year as another top C/D, I could absolutely see them competing for the playoffs by the last year of JJ's contract, and they'd probably want to add through FA to support this young core rather than spend on JJ

I mean its not rocket appliances of course nobody wants Jack Johnson. This "argument" should be water under the fridge already