NSH loses both of these trades pretty badly. You're over paying Shattenkirk, and there are more than a few guys in Milwaukee that would get the call before Craggs.

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I redid the trades are they better

Still not enough. Forsberg can still get more out of EDM and Nylander - Ellis is a an argued 1 for 1 with some accepting it and others not, but I think it's pretty even. An Arvidsson retained is worth more than 15th OA and 2 4ths.

Arvidsson did not do very good this year so that is pretty good value.

He came back from an injury and nearly all the Preds offensive players had down years -- not holding that season against him. He scored 29, 31, and 34 (in 58 games) over the 3 prior seasons. One down year after those three great scoring years does not tank your value so much that you have to retain 35% of his contract just to get a 1st rounder. If this is the best value, there is zero chance that the Preds trade him.

edit: But also, you traded the two forwards that are the least of NSH's problems in Arvidsson and Forsberg. Forsberg is clearly NSH's best forward, and Arvidsson could be argued as number 2. Those are the only two forwards that should be safe from trades this off-season (and likely Duchene because of the recency of his contract signing and the optics of trading him).

Arvidsson was playing hurt, after Bortuzzo gooned him. He looked back to his old self, in the qualifying round.

To answer your original question, no this team isn't a contender. The defense is notably weaker now, The 2nd line is just awful. The 3rd has too many question marks. If Tolvanen and Turris have chemistry together that's great, but Watson is a square peg in a round hole here. Slot any of the better options into Craggs' place, and the 4th is looking good.

You kept Turris over Forsberg, Arvi and Ellis. This went from a bubble team to last place in the division, wasting Josi's prime, and going into full rebuild mode.

Interesting offer oilers strongly look at but ultimately decline because of cap constraints.

I think that they would accept it.

Here is the issue with the 1 for 1. If Ellis were 25-27 I would say fair deal. But he will be Turing 30 next year. I don’t think there is a massive gap in value there but I can’t see dubas moving a player he doesn’t want to if the value isn’t there.

With Kapanen gone it doesn’t make much sense to move nylander. If dubas thinks he can get scneidervwith that it end pick it will be Lilly moving on.

My take on this... and you aren’t going to like it.



Nylander
Liljegren
Engvall



Ellis
Sissons
Tolvanen

Is the team better?
The 1st line is more or less equal with Johansen Forsberg Arvidsson when they're playing like they normally do.
The rest of the lines are a jumbled up mess that is worse (on paper) then what we had this season.

The defense is about equal to now but you are overpaying Shattenkirk.

You're also up against the cap with a team that i'd argue is weaker then if you just let Granlund and Smith walk out the door as UFAs and backfill with prospects.

That's something I'd probably consider.

To me: Nylander is more or less = to Ellis
Engvall more or less for Sissons
Tolvanen for Liljegren

Liljegren moves to the NHL. Fabbro goes next to Josi. Liljegren next to Ekholm (or they go after a short term stop gap RHD). Engvall fills in 4th line duties. Nylander goes next to Duchene and i'd say Tomasino on the other wing giving them 2 complete lines. Liljegren is expansion draft exempt so they only have to protect 3 dmen.

Not going to lie tempted but that is also a hefty ask. JP holds a lot more value than this site typically suggests +14 overall idk it’s too rich for me. Having to resign him after suffering flat cap for two years will be challenging when consider other extensions between now and then.

It's interesting. Saves NSH cap as well. I think if you added a 3rd from TOR that I'd like the deal better for NSH, but it's the deal is enough to get negotiations started for sure. Ultimately, I don't think Poile trades Ellis next season though.

Dubas 100% does not trade nylander. I agree with him. In the intrest of making this site fun I will trade anyone. Except Matthews... never Matthews... or players with nmc’s that wouldn’t waive. Other than that, it’s all fair game.

I'd strongly disagree with the Engvall-Sissons comparison, but to each their own.

I'm with ya. I've made some fairly wacky teams -- I try to keep the value of trades and signings at least realistic, but I don't think a lot of the trades are realistic haha. But who knows, if that Kapanen deal was suggested on this site, I bet it would've been torn apart for not being realistic lol

If you were looking to get a 25-27 year old Ellis, one-for-one for Nylander wouldn't come close though. A winger just doesn't carry the same trade value as a RD.

Because? Let me guess... you think rhd is the most important position?

The GMs of the league seem to have placed a premium on the position. Possibly because there aren't as many good ones to go around, than there are wingers? Whatever the reason, that's the way it is in the NHL. Goaltending is arguably the most important position, but goalies traditionally have lower trade value than their importance would indicate. I can't explain why, but there are lots of things about the NHL that I'll never understand.

I just think Sissons is highly overpaid to play on the 4th line constantly. Poile has really spent alot of money tied up in the bottom 6 (Bonino, Turris, Jarnkrok, Sissons, Watson, Grimaldi.)