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Équipe: 2020-21 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 25 août 2020
Publié: 31 août 2020
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Open discussion on some moves. Least likely move is obviously Jones as that’s gonna come down to a Doug Wilson miracle trade as usual if it happens.
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    Not exactly sure on all UFA deals as the market hasn’t been set yet other than knowing the cap will be flat. Nieto is a bold pickup as I assume the Avs would want to resign him, and I feel like he’s in the ball park of 3 mil (just under or just over). Galchenyuk is a wildcard and I assumed 2.5 would be enough to outbid some teams (not all).
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    31 août 2020 à 10 h 49
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    Out of curiosity why would the Sharks want to take on that Okposo Contract??
    31 août 2020 à 10 h 51
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    Quoting: SabresSuck9
    Out of curiosity why would the Sharks want to take on that Okposo Contract??


    To move Jones, allowing us to have an actual Goaltender. Instead of paying a team a lot to take him we swap bad contracts for positional need. Buffalo isn’t a team with two defined goalies so there is wiggle room for Jones to play in, and the sharks just need a real netminder to begin to contend.
    31 août 2020 à 10 h 51
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    Quoting: SabresSuck9
    Out of curiosity why would the Sharks want to take on that Okposo Contract??


    They’re sending a worse (real tough to do) back, that’s prolly why.
    31 août 2020 à 10 h 52
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    They’re sending a worse (real tough to do) back, that’s prolly why.


    I’d consider both just as poor in terms of ROI, but with the sharks extra year I added assets on our end.
    31 août 2020 à 10 h 53
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    Not taking Jones with an extra two years on his contract
    31 août 2020 à 10 h 53
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    To move Jones, allowing us to have an actual Goaltender. Instead of paying a team a lot to take him we swap bad contracts for positional need. Buffalo isn’t a team with two defined goalies so there is wiggle room for Jones to play in, and the sharks just need a real netminder to begin to contend.


    thats what I figured, I just cant think of any team trading for Okposo's contract without the sabres sending a first.
    31 août 2020 à 10 h 54
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    I’d consider both just as poor in terms of ROI, but with the sharks extra year I added assets on our end.


    Yeah the added year makes it worse. And at least KO looks like he belongs in the league (still a fourth liner, great defensively last year, just insanely overpaid). Jones looks shot.
    31 août 2020 à 10 h 55
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    Not taking Jones with an extra two years on his contract


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    31 août 2020 à 10 h 56
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    not sure the habs would move their first for labanc.
    31 août 2020 à 10 h 59
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    thats what I figured, I just cant think of any team trading for Okposo's contract without the sabres sending a first.


    Quoting: Lsendel3
    Yeah the added year makes it worse. And at least KO looks like he belongs in the league (still a fourth liner, great defensively last year, just insanely overpaid). Jones looks shot.


    I’d argue if you’re being paid 6 mill for a low end fourth liner (I don’t see him as a high end one), then you don’t “belong” in the league more than Jones. Jones barely puts up league required numbers and Okposo barely is worth having on your team especially for his cap like Jones. That’s why I added more assets on the sharks end as Jones can play and it’s not like he’s a huge step down from the Sabres situation. Buffalo is just waiting for their prospects on the goalie end to step in (time only will tell).
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    31 août 2020 à 11 h 0
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    not sure the habs would move their first for labanc.


    As to why I included the sharks 2nd as it would be a early 2nd and I believe the habs should be in the mindset of winning know especially with Prices recent comments on winning now and his recent play (showing he can win now).
    31 août 2020 à 11 h 2
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    I’d consider both just as poor in terms of ROI, but with the sharks extra year I added assets on our end.


    A bad contract at forward is really hard to manage, but a bad deal in net can be crippling. They may be Similar in cap hit, but Jones's deal is way worse to deal with.
    31 août 2020 à 11 h 8
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    A bad contract at forward is really hard to manage, but a bad deal in net can be crippling. They may be Similar in cap hit, but Jones's deal is way worse to deal with.


    As to why I mentioned the Sabres net has wiggle room. If it was a team like Minnesota or ottawa; those teams have no need to take on a net contract as Ottawa has some bright spots and capable goalies, Minnesota already has a expensive contract in dubnyk. Buffalo is plausible as they get assets, a goalie who really isn’t a giant step worse than their current situation. It’s obviously a move that isn’t easy (as why my description says it’s the least likely move). But I don’t see it being a far fetched or pipe dream.
    31 août 2020 à 11 h 40
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    I’d argue if you’re being paid 6 mill for a low end fourth liner (I don’t see him as a high end one), then you don’t “belong” in the league more than Jones. Jones barely puts up league required numbers and Okposo barely is worth having on your team especially for his cap like Jones. That’s why I added more assets on the sharks end as Jones can play and it’s not like he’s a huge step down from the Sabres situation. Buffalo is just waiting for their prospects on the goalie end to step in (time only will tell).


    Yeah it’s a bad contract, I’ve mentioned as much. But if he was paid 2M, any team would love to have what he brings. 70% d zone starts, and is still putting up positive possession metrics. The contract is irrelevant to if he’s still an NHL player. Jones had been putting up worse and worse metrics and stats year over year. He’s terrible and has a terrible contract. KO is a good fourth liner with a terrible contract. There’s the difference. An extra year is prolly a deal breaker for me, and to your other point of jones being a defined goaltender in Buffalo is just a bad take. Ullmark is undoubtably better, and Hutton isn’t worse and only has a year left. I understand that you added assets, but they aren’t enough for me to take that contract on.
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    To move Jones, allowing us to have an actual Goaltender. Instead of paying a team a lot to take him we swap bad contracts for positional need. Buffalo isn’t a team with two defined goalies so there is wiggle room for Jones to play in, and the sharks just need a real netminder to begin to contend.
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    31 août 2020 à 16 h 35
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    Yeah it’s a bad contract, I’ve mentioned as much. But if he was paid 2M, any team would love to have what he brings. 70% d zone starts, and is still putting up positive possession metrics. The contract is irrelevant to if he’s still an NHL player. Jones had been putting up worse and worse metrics and stats year over year. He’s terrible and has a terrible contract. KO is a good fourth liner with a terrible contract. There’s the difference. An extra year is prolly a deal breaker for me, and to your other point of jones being a defined goaltender in Buffalo is just a bad take. Ullmark is undoubtably better, and Hutton isn’t worse and only has a year left. I understand that you added assets, but they aren’t enough for me to take that contract on.

    I didn’t mean jones is a defined goaltender. I meant buffalo out of most teams does not have a definitive goaltending situation, allowing for jones to play in. I don’t mean he’s miles ahead of their situation, he isn’t.

    I mean out of 31 NHL teams, out of an unlikely move (jones moving), buffalo is one of the more plausible moves (of this unlikely move). Buffalo has room compared to teams like Minnesota, Ottawa, New Jersey, etc all I meant if that was not explained well by me.

    I mean goalies are weird right, for all we know Jones can bounce back if a different city, environment, coach, system, the ****ing food lol. who knows eh. Not saying this move is a home run for the sharks or buffalo as it’s a lateral move for both teams. Just explaining my rational as I think Okposo is serviceable but not miles ahead of jones, while jones definitely isn’t ahead of Okposo but he isn’t a hundred miles behind.
    31 août 2020 à 21 h 23
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    Here is the deal.
    Okposo, when he is used on the fourth line, at $6,000,000 is over paid by $4,500,000 or even as much as $5,250,000 (presuming Lazar could do as well as he).
    Personally, I think he still has the skills to be top six forward or at least a mid six.
    At least Housley gave him some playing time with better forwards and he put up 14 goals (fifth best among the Sabres) and 29 pts.
    Brilliant Krueger had him with Larsson and Girgensons 65% of the time and surprise surprise he only got 9 goals (BTW only Jack, Sam and Victor had more pt/min than Kyle last year).
    Add Okposo to the list of Sabres who had career worse years under Krueger (Skinner, Vesey, Sheary, Rodrigues, Montour, Miller, Hutton et. al.).
    Was Krueger hired to get a lower draft pick this year?
    IDK what happened to Jones while just 5 years ago he was traded for a first and led the sharks to the finals.
    If he is the third GK on the Sabres he is over paid by $5,750,000 for the next four years.
    I read all of the comments and thought about this trade before responding as I thought it may be a good deal.
    This is a VERY bad trade for Buffalo.
    Give Okposo some better playing time with better line mates and he will only be over paid by $2,000,000 or less.
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    31 août 2020 à 21 h 34
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    Here is the deal.
    Okposo, when he is used on the fourth line, at $6,000,000 is over paid by $4,500,000 or even as much as $5,250,000 (presuming Lazar could do as well as he).
    Personally, I think he still has the skills to be top six forward or at least a mid six.
    At least Housley gave him some playing time with better forwards and he put up 14 goals and 29 pts (fifth best among the Sabres).
    Brilliant Krueger had him with Larsson and Girgensons 65% of the time and surprise surprise he only got 9 goals (BTW only Jack, Sam and Victor had more pt/min than Kyle last year).
    Add Okposo to the list of Sabres who had career worse years under Krueger (Skinner, Vesey, Sheary, Rodrigues, Montour, Miller, Hutton et. al.).
    Was Krueger hired to get a lower draft pick this year?
    IDK what happened to Jones while just 5 years ago he was traded for a first and led the sharks to the finals.
    If he is the third GK on the Sabres he is over paid by $5,750,000 for the next four years.
    I read all of the comments and thought about this trade before responding as I thought it may be a good deal.
    This is a VERY bad trade for Buffalo.
    Give Okposo some better playing time with better line mates and he will only be over paid by $2,000,000 or less.


    It’s not all about the points though (although more would be nice). 70% dzone starts and still had positive possession metrics. Defensively strong, and a guy we could have out there to shut down the other team if needed. He’s shifted his game
    31 août 2020 à 21 h 52
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    It’s not all about the points though (although more would be nice). 70% dzone starts and still had positive possession metrics. Defensively strong, and a guy we could have out there to shut down the other team if needed. He’s shifted his game


    I guess when I agreed with your post that would have been seen as an obvious point that I did not have to repeat.
    I was making points that had not been made in any previous comment, that Okposo can still produce offensively when given the opportunity.
    Jones cannot play GK, therefore "This is a VERY bad trade for Buffalo.".
    31 août 2020 à 21 h 55
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    I guess when I agreed with your post that would have been seen as an obvious point that I did not have to repeat.
    I was making points that had not been made in any previous comment, that Okposo can still produce offensively when given the opportunity.
    Jones cannot play GK, therefore "This is a VERY bad trade for Buffalo.".


    Agreed. I wasn’t implying the opposite of what you are saying, more just that he’s only more then a 700k player is all
     
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