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Date de création initiale: 28 août 2020
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Finding a RD for Rielly proved near impossible. The options were either going for a UFA such as Tanev who is looking for term, and with his injury concerns that is a big risk, or a guy like Gudas who has never been a top 4 dman and is coming off a down year. I'm fine with guys like Hamonic and Brodie, but those aren't the big fish that I'd prefer either. Parayko would be ideal if Muzzin-Holl (or Muzzin-Liljegren) can remain the shutdown pair, and Arizona is a team that is surprisingly capped out, and in need of picks. I could see them desperately trying to get a 1st round pick, and this trade could be what they are looking for.

For those wondering why 2 2nds instead of a 1st, frankly I wasn't willing to move Johnsson Dermott and the 15th for Chychrun, but this trade does feel like a grab bag which isn't what Arizona will want. Ultimately, a move for a defensemen will prove difficult.
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28 août 2020 à 1 h 13
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Chychrun will cost a whole lot more than that, im talking

2020 1st (top 15) +Lilligren + Dermott + a good prospect (Abramov) or 2nd pick

cause 4.6 for 5 mill is a steal for a player of his caliber
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28 août 2020 à 1 h 15
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His EV points may not look good but put him with the big 4 and that changes fast. So thats why his price will be high. Plus hes young
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28 août 2020 à 1 h 50
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His EV points may not look good but put him with the big 4 and that changes fast. So thats why his price will be high. Plus hes young


where did u get this from
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28 août 2020 à 2 h 5
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where did u get this from


Jfresh he does hockey analytics if u join his patreon he has better cards
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28 août 2020 à 2 h 18
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Would like to point out one thing... your targets are horrible.

Besides Parayko and Hamonic.

Gudas is trash, tanev is meh, had a lengthy season this year so that’s good.

Why not Cernak? Or Roy. I know it’s unpopular but if he would sign a fair contract I would add montour.

Going after these older washed up players is just a bad idea. Yeah chychrun would be great but as @aadoyle Pointed out it’s gonna hurt.

If you are going for a stop gap, make a trade for a player with one year left. Like Savard or Hjalmarrson. They will be cheap and you won’t have to worry about term.
28 août 2020 à 2 h 24
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Would like to point out one thing... your targets are horrible.

Besides Parayko and Hamonic.

Gudas is trash, tanev is meh, had a lengthy season this year so that’s good.

Why not Cernak? Or Roy. I know it’s unpopular but if he would sign a fair contract I would add montour.

Going after these older washed up players is just a bad idea. Yeah chychrun would be great but as @aadoyle Pointed out it’s gonna hurt.

If you are going for a stop gap, make a trade for a player with one year left. Like Savard or Hjalmarrson. They will be cheap and you won’t have to worry about term.


He's one of the few players I would mind paying for but on his offside I can't see him being that good. Honestly just move johnsson and bring Braun in. Braun is a beast at penalty kills and can eat up minutes

2 years 4 mill and when up liligren takes over
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28 août 2020 à 2 h 31
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He's one of the few players I would mind paying for but on his offside I can't see him being that good. Honestly just move johnsson and bring Braun in. Braun is a beast at penalty kills and can eat up minutes

2 years 4 mill and when up liligren takes over


Disagree, no use for Braun. Especially at that price. I like your idea to take Schneider and move lily... I would move him for Cernak probably 4 x 3m. Walks him to ufa but leafs reap the benefits now.
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28 août 2020 à 2 h 37
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Disagree, no use for Braun. Especially at that price. I like your idea to take Schneider and move lily... I would move him for Cernak probably 4 x 3m. Walks him to ufa but leafs reap the benefits now.


So you think liligren and a 3rd for cernak. I think we could potentially get more term if we sign for 4 mill I'm thinking pesce length

In general I think it's the best option as lightning save cap and we get a young dman who can play well defensively.

All in all it works. Feel bad for liligren but we're drafting a guy 3 years younger who is better defensively
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28 août 2020 à 2 h 42
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So you think liligren and a 3rd for cernak. I think we could potentially get more term if we sign for 4 mill I'm thinking pesce length

In general I think it's the best option as lightning save cap and we get a young dman who can play well defensively.

All in all it works. Feel bad for liligren but we're drafting a guy 3 years younger who is better defensively


Yup, and will be ready when we need him. Keep Holl and let Schneider push him out.
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Disagree, no use for Braun. Especially at that price. I like your idea to take Schneider and move lily... I would move him for Cernak probably 4 x 3m. Walks him to ufa but leafs reap the benefits now.


The other idea trade a third for Jensen. Jensen is very underated and honestly needs a change of scenery and a bigger role as he thrives with it. Washington just does not seem a good fit for him and the numbers show it. plus he only costs a third and has a cap hit of 2.5mill for 3years

In general if he bounces back tongue guy from the red wings dubas gets a trade steal out of him
28 août 2020 à 2 h 43
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You guys are underestimating the desperate situation Arizona is in. Sure they aren't going to give away a guy like him but you could low ball them. The issue I see is that Arizona would push that deal to the last possible second if you try to low ball them too much hoping they could make another move which is risky leaving upgrading the D that long. You could low ball them a bit and still get the deal done. They might hem and haw at the first Dermott and a second but it would probably get it done. Maybe trade lower picks as well to push it through.
28 août 2020 à 2 h 48
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The other idea trade a third for Jensen. Jensen is very underated and honestly needs a change of scenery and a bigger role as he thrives with it. Washington just does not seem a good fit for him and the numbers show it. plus he only costs a third and has a cap hit of 2.5mill for 3years


I think of Jensen as a right handed Dermott. But since Dermott can play the right and will probably sign his QO I would stick with him. He still has room to grow. I’m just not sure if Jensen can handle the job.
28 août 2020 à 2 h 52
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I think of Jensen as a right handed Dermott. But since Dermott can play the right and will probably sign his QO I would stick with him. He still has room to grow. I’m just not sure if Jensen can handle the job.


Only thing is Jensen is a monster at the penalty kill. Like he was 4th in the league in pk minutes this season. Dermott is good but for all around defense gotta go with Jensen especially if short handed. I would honestly trade and have a dcore of. Cause it's cost effective than scheider can push holl out one day and liligren takes over lehtonen spot. But that won't be for a while

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28 août 2020 à 3 h 1
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Only thing is Jensen is a monster at the penalty kill. Like he was 4th in the league in pk minutes this season. Dermott is good but for all around defense gotta go with Jensen especially if short handed. I would honestly trade and have a dcore of. Cause it's cost effective than scheider can push holl out one day and liligren takes over lehtonen spot. But that won't be for a while

Muzzin-Lehtonen
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Dermott-holl


Have to wait and see how lehtonen does. I mean now that Babs is gone so maybe it won’t be as bad as ozhiganov.
28 août 2020 à 14 h 5
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Would like to point out one thing... your targets are horrible.

Besides Parayko and Hamonic.

Gudas is trash, tanev is meh, had a lengthy season this year so that’s good.

Why not Cernak? Or Roy. I know it’s unpopular but if he would sign a fair contract I would add montour.

Going after these older washed up players is just a bad idea. Yeah chychrun would be great but as @aadoyle Pointed out it’s gonna hurt.

If you are going for a stop gap, make a trade for a player with one year left. Like Savard or Hjalmarrson. They will be cheap and you won’t have to worry about term.


I'm not a fan of Montour personally, when it comes to playing with Rielly. I don't think a 1 year stop-gap like Hjalmarsson or Savard is the answer, unless the Leafs think we have one year to win the cup and then blow it up if we don't. I don't disagree, but there aren't that many options on the market. From my understanding, Cernak is not available (if that changes, I'd be very interested), and I know lots of people are into Roy, but I don't know if I'd have him next to Rielly either. Marino would be perfect, but Pittsburgh isn't moving him.

I like Jensen, but again, he struggled last year, same as Gudas, and I don't know if he is fully up to the task of being Rielly's partner with this team. You want someone who can stabilize and let Rielly really play his game, and I don't think that's Jensen. Braun isn't the guy to me. Too old, not a good enough skater/puck mover for the team. He'd get targeted on breakouts every time the same way ceci zaitsev hainsey etc have been for years.

Pesce, Hamilton, Ekblad, and Chychrun are my top targets. It doesn't seem like Carolina will move on from either of the first two, which means it's up to the latter choices to find a trade. Even with Florida's situation, it would take a monster trade to get Ekblad. Arizona on the other hand is lacking 1st (and potentially 2nd) picks in this and the next draft. They are at the cap ceiling, and they are a middling team. They desperately need changes, and Chychrun is not a bonus player, his salary in real $ grows every year until its expiry. I think he could be targeted, and because of their situation, the acquisition price could be lower than anticipated. Would it be what I traded, probably not, probably more expensive. But the 15th OV pick, Johnsson or Dermott at his QO, and a 2021 2nd rounder, that could work. They save money, recoup draft capital, and could use the 15 on a guy like Chychrun or a star forward who could slide like Lundell or Jarvis, and they know they aren't winning anything the next year or two.

It's just a theory, but frankly, I think Chychrun might be one of the best guys to target out there, even if he is left-handed, because acquisition costs may not be as high as his performance from JFresh charts, and Arizona is desperate to move money and gain draft capital.
28 août 2020 à 14 h 8
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I'm not a fan of Montour personally, when it comes to playing with Rielly. I don't think a 1 year stop-gap like Hjalmarsson or Savard is the answer, unless the Leafs think we have one year to win the cup and then blow it up if we don't. I don't disagree, but there aren't that many options on the market. From my understanding, Cernak is not available (if that changes, I'd be very interested), and I know lots of people are into Roy, but I don't know if I'd have him next to Rielly either. Marino would be perfect, but Pittsburgh isn't moving him.

I like Jensen, but again, he struggled last year, same as Gudas, and I don't know if he is fully up to the task of being Rielly's partner with this team. You want someone who can stabilize and let Rielly really play his game, and I don't think that's Jensen. Braun isn't the guy to me. Too old, not a good enough skater/puck mover for the team. He'd get targeted on breakouts every time the same way ceci zaitsev hainsey etc have been for years.

Pesce, Hamilton, Ekblad, and Chychrun are my top targets. It doesn't seem like Carolina will move on from either of the first two, which means it's up to the latter choices to find a trade. Even with Florida's situation, it would take a monster trade to get Ekblad. Arizona on the other hand is lacking 1st (and potentially 2nd) picks in this and the next draft. They are at the cap ceiling, and they are a middling team. They desperately need changes, and Chychrun is not a bonus player, his salary in real $ grows every year until its expiry. I think he could be targeted, and because of their situation, the acquisition price could be lower than anticipated. Would it be what I traded, probably not, probably more expensive. But the 15th OV pick, Johnsson or Dermott at his QO, and a 2021 2nd rounder, that could work. They save money, recoup draft capital, and could use the 15 on a guy like Chychrun or a star forward who could slide like Lundell or Jarvis, and they know they aren't winning anything the next year or two.

It's just a theory, but frankly, I think Chychrun might be one of the best guys to target out there, even if he is left-handed, because acquisition costs may not be as high as his performance from JFresh charts, and Arizona is desperate to move money and gain draft capital.


Cernak is certainly available. 5 x 4m... and it only costs a 2nd....
28 août 2020 à 14 h 8
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Chychrun will cost a whole lot more than that, im talking

2020 1st (top 15) +Lilligren + Dermott + a good prospect (Abramov) or 2nd pick

cause 4.6 for 5 mill is a steal for a player of his caliber


See my above post, but Arizona is capped out, and in desperate need to cut $ and recoup draft capital. I would still be okay with for example the 2021 2nd, the 2020 15th, and a player like Dermott on his QO. Chychrun's salary rises each year (no early signing bonuses like Toronto does to cut later year salary costs), and we don't know how valued he will be by the new GM, nor how much stock they will put into his analytics. My trade above is likely an underpay, especially since the NHL knows Toronto is targeting a defenseman, but 15th, a 2nd, and Dermott could get it done, and I'm still okay with that. Then you can still flip Johnsson for a 2nd round pick to recoup the lost 2nd, and then it becomes the 15th Dermott and Johnsson, which is basically the trade I have above.
28 août 2020 à 14 h 13
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Cernak is certainly available. 5 x 4m... and it only costs a 2nd....


I don't see the Leafs entering an offersheet, because they would want to sign him at a price that is more reasonable for their cap hit. Considering we know the two things that impact defense prices are Points and TOI, and Cernak plays under 20 min a night with very little in the way of points, he likely won't cost $4M for tampa, nor is there reason to believe he'd sign an offersheet. That's the big one, we know teams for example reached out to Point's camp last offseason, but his camp said they won't sign any, basically removing the bargaining chip themselves. Tampa is capped out, but a trade of 2 of Johnson, Gourde, Killorn, and Palat will do more than enough to meet their cap needs. I'd be very surprised if anybody on the defense is moved out, as they likely let Shattenkirk, Bogosian, Coburn, and Schenn walk, and use a defense core of
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