i hope this is a joke

Why? Because you think that a pick that's 1-5 spots up from a second-round pick is going to get you a superstar? Calgary's 1st might as well be a second and Kerfoot is worth at least a second and a third.

this is a stacked draft & we dont really need kerfoot, literally no one else, not even the dumbest leafs fans think he is worth a 2020 1st

ill do an acgm asking it

Calgary has to beat Dallas and Vegas for their pick to be that late. Otherwise their pick is 19th oa. Flames don't need or want Kerfoot so you can keep him. TBH I probably wouldn't trade a 3rd for him let alone a 1st

Yeah, the Flames pick is definitely not a late 1st, it's closer to a mid 1st than anything

It's hilarious that Calgary fans are already planning on them losing. It's hilarious that a Leafs fan actually believes your team has a shot at making some noise and your own fans say not a chance in hell this team is any good but we don't need a good 3rd line centre. Cheers for your opinion. Too bad you don't believe in them.

Love Kerfoot, dude has a ton of heart, good hockey iq and puck skills, but his size and not great shot makes him a puzzling player at times. What’s that worth? Probably a 2nd and 3rd pick but he isn’t a top 6 guy on a good team.

Well, the thing is even if they beat Dallas they are picking 19th. They’d have to reach the conference finals for that pick to become 28th overall

The Idea was that the flames win this round and end up with a later first. That could change to a second and a third sure because it's not going by the pick being in the first 2/3 of the first round. The pick would be decided by the trade. If the Flames pick is towards the end of the first round it's a good trade. For some reason, people think if a team has a first-round pick it's instantly worth a top 6 player and it's not. A top 10 pick and a late-round pick are not the same and don't have the same worth.
As yourself this, One team gives up a 1st round pick in a draft that's already decided to be 21st overall. In return, they get a second-round pick that's already decided to be 33rd overall as part of a 1 for one trade. How much did the team giving up the first-round pick give up? How much of a difference is there likely to be in the 12 places they slid. Are either of those players a for sure NHL player and is it possible that the 33rd overall actually makes the NHL and the 21st doesn't.

TF are you talking about. Like I said Calgary has to first beat Dallas then a red hot Vegas team before their pick is "late." Even then why would Flames want Kerfoot? Where tf would he play? Not 3C, Bennett has clearly taken that role, not 4C, that belongs to Ryan who is also more useful in the bottom 6, and definitely not 2C. So we put him on LW? Ahead of who though? Gaudreau? Tkachuk? Mangiapane? Dube? Lucic?

That late in the draft there are no guarantees. You're assuming that pick is for sure a top 6 player and that's not even close to true. It's not top 15 and anything below top 15 might as well be a second-round pick. At that point, the likelihood of picking a player that's an impact player is about equal. Honestly, it's not that important to the overall picture. The Leafs could find a team looking for a 3rd line C that Kerfoot is perfect for that would gladly give up a late first or early to mid-second and late third.

Again Flames beating Dallas does not make their pick late. It still stays at 19 until they beat Vegas and make the conference finals. At which point they clearly don't need a player like Kerfoot

They beat Dallas and it's 19th and it's irrelevant. You can think all firsts are magic and worth a top 6 forward all you want. It's irrelevant to the post. The Leafs could find a team looking for a guy like Kerfoot and be willing to give up a late first or early to mid-second and a late third.

There's no point where any team should stand pat with what they have. Teams are always looking to upgrade in the offseason. Anyway, I get it. you think the flames should get McDavid for prospects this conversation is done.

Kerfoot will not fetch a 1st from anyone. I would bet money on that. His cap hit is too high for what he provides. Why would you spend a 1st on Kerfoot when you can spend a 2nd and get Killorn or spend nothing and get Haula/Brassard/Eakin.

You still think all firsts are equal and they aren't.

"Kerfoot will not fetch a 1st from anyone. I would bet money on that. His cap hit is too high for what he provides. Why would you spend a 1st on Kerfoot when you can spend a 2nd and get Killorn or spend nothing and get Haula/Brassard/Eakin."

where did I say that?

Going off of what you said here you are saying that a 31st overall pick is worth a top-level talent and a 32nd a 3rd or 4th line player. It's not about the round it's about the number of the pick. Rounds are meaningless really. The difference between a 31st and a 32nd is one pick yet they are separate rounds.

That would also mean that you are saying that the 32nd pick will automatically be worth a better player after the expansion because now it's a 1st round instead of a 2nd. What that pick is worth didn't change but the round it's picked did.

Ok how about this. No team is giving you a top 40 pick for Kerfoot.

i hate to agree but kerfoot isn't worth a 1st nor a 2nd + 3rd

hes worth a 2nd only max.
a bottom 6 center with top 9 ceiling potential.

also, leo isnt coming back to toronto only to expose himself to seattle right after. not going to happen.

That's your opinion not fact.

I’m not giving up a 1st for Kerfoot ever. The premium of a 1st round pick is significantly higher than thoselater picks and while it’s possible 33rd overall you is a better player than what you get at 21 there are plenty of articles out there about the success rate of draft picks.

Show me the article that says a 31st overall pick is 100% an NHL player every year. The top 10-15 players are almost a sure thing but the number of players that make it drop off drastically after that.