Kreider or Hall to Colorado

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Créé par: Shakabakes

Équipe: 2019-20 Rangers de New York

Date de création initiale: 13 août 2020

Publié: 13 août 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I included one of the more basic Kreider trades on here, just for the Hell of it. But more interested in hearing from Avs fans about which option they would prefer.

On the one hand, you can give up a good Pick and a decent Prospect to get a LW on a relatively friendly deal.

On the other hand, you can use your Cap room to go out and get Taylor Hall, who would probably be interested in joining a contender.

Hall is definitely the better Offensive player of the 2. But, obviously would come with a much heftier price tag.

Which is the more beneficial preference? A good, cheaper player that requires giving up pieces for. Or a better, but far more expensive Free Agent, that wouldn't require dipping into your Prospect pool.

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Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (COL)

Enfoui

Matt Beleskey: 825 000 $ (1 900 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	70 711 466 $	0 $	8 195 000 $	10 788 534 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Panarin, Artemi 11 642 857 $11 642 857 $ AG NMC UFA - 7	Zibanejad, Mika 5 350 000 $5 350 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Buchnevich, Pavel 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 2
	Strome, Ryan 3 100 000 $3 100 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1	Fast, Jesper 1 850 000 $1 850 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Lemieux, Brendan 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Howden, Brett 863 333 $863 333 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Kakko, Kaapo 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 650 000 $$3M) AD RFA - 3
Chytil, Filip 894 166 $894 166 $ (350 000 $$350K) C, AG UFA - 2	McKegg, Greg 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Gauthier, Julien 863 333 $863 333 $ (300 000 $$300K) AD UFA - 2
Di Giuseppe, Phillip 700 000 $700 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Haley, Micheal 700 000 $700 000 $ C UFA - 1
	Jost, Tyson 885 833 $885 833 $ (850 000 $$850K) C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Staal, Marc 5 700 000 $5 700 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 2	Trouba, Jacob 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ DD UFA - 7	Lundqvist, Henrik 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 2
Lindgren, Ryan 925 000 $925 000 $ (212 500 $$212K) DG RFA - 2	Smith, Brendan 4 350 000 $4 350 000 $ DG/DD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Shesterkin, Igor 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) G UFA - 2
	Deangelo, Anthony 925 000 $925 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Georgiev, Alexandar 792 500 $792 500 $ (132 500 $$132K) G UFA - 1
	Fox, Adam 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD UFA - 3

13 août 2020 à 22 h 23

Teemu_salami

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sure why not. you can have zads while your at it.

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13 août 2020 à 22 h 28

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Quoting: Teemu_salami

sure why not. you can have zads while your at it.

Zadorov, Jost and a 1st for Kreider and Howden?

13 août 2020 à 22 h 28

Sonuvabirch69

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Blueshirts should’ve traded Kreider while they still could instead of locking him up until he’s 36.

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13 août 2020 à 22 h 30

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Quoting: ICantHaveFunWithMyUsername

Blueshirts should’ve traded Kreider while they still could instead of locking him up until he’s 36.

Agreed. I didn't think it was terrible, but I thought future pieces would have been better. And now that we have landed the #1 Pick, it just makes it more complicated.

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13 août 2020 à 22 h 32

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I’d rather have Hall over Kreider personally.

I understand they will need to pay Hall 1.5-2mil more, but they will get to keep their 1st rd pick which is worth more than 2 mil

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13 août 2020 à 22 h 37

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Quoting: ICantHaveFunWithMyUsername

Blueshirts should’ve traded Kreider while they still could instead of locking him up until he’s 36.

they still can. he just has less value now.

13 août 2020 à 22 h 48

Philu916

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

they still can. he just has less value now.

And a full NMC

13 août 2020 à 22 h 50

DirtyDangle

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Quoting: Philu916

And a full NMC

doesnt kick in yet and only for 4 years. still time to move him.

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13 août 2020 à 22 h 52

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Hall is my preferred option. He's a great fit for the Avs in terms of style and is a couple years younger. Add that Colorado keeps all their picks/prospects and it's an easy choice for me (assuming Hall is reasonable with his ask).

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13 août 2020 à 23 h 0

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

doesnt kick in yet and only for 4 years. still time to move him.

If CK signed a 4 year NMC as part of a 7 year deal and was traded before it kicked in that following off season, it can look so bad for future players to want to extend or sign here. Feel like CK would HAVE to be spoken to before anything occurs.

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13 août 2020 à 23 h 5

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Quoting: Philu916

sure but the alternative is keeping panarin, kreider, and laf for 4 years. the rangers can be forgiven in these circumstances

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13 août 2020 à 23 h 19

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

they still can. he just has less value now.

They could have traded him while his value was still high, was what I meant.

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13 août 2020 à 23 h 25

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Avs aren't going to into cap hell next season by signing Hall or trading for Kreider.

13 août 2020 à 23 h 50

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Quoting: palhal

Avs aren't going to into cap hell next season by signing Hall or trading for Kreider.

I don't think either one puts them into Cap Hell. They have the space. The perfect way to handle Free Agency is to build off your youth as a base, and then use Free Agency to quickly patch up the remaining holes. A premier LW would do just that.

Every team goes into some sort of "Cap Hell" at some point. The best time to do so is when your competive window is open.

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14 août 2020 à 0 h 25

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Quoting: Shakabakes

Agreed. I didn't think it was terrible, but I thought future pieces would have been better. And now that we have landed the #1 Pick, it just makes it more complicated.

At least you’ll have one of the best top nine groups in the league

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14 août 2020 à 18 h 8

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Hall looked really good against Nashville and again today in Game 2. Guy is buzzing in the Ozone and making plays constantly. He'd be a perfect fit on this team.

That said, term and AAV will obviously be the deciding factor.

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14 août 2020 à 18 h 59

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I would expect him to be in the 7 year range for $80M. Maybe the flat cap helps the Avs bring him down a bit, but not by much.

14 août 2020 à 19 h 40

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Quoting: Shakabakes

I would expect him to be in the 7 year range for $80M. Maybe the flat cap helps the Avs bring him down a bit, but not by much.

You really think he's going to be in the $11.5m range? That's Panarin money, and Panarin doesn't have anywhere near the injury issue Hall has. Panarin also signed before the flat cap.

Maybe he'd get that AAV on a 3-4 year deal, but not on a 7 year deal.

14 août 2020 à 19 h 57

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Quoting: Richard88

I was under the assumption he would cash in. So for 7 years, you think he would be closer to $9M. Because that would definitely make him more appealing than Kreider.

14 août 2020 à 20 h 4

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Quoting: Shakabakes

I was under the assumption he would cash in. So for 7 years, you think he would be closer to $9M. Because that would definitely make him more appealing than Kreider.

Not sure where you're getting the $80m figure from in your earlier post if you think he'll look for 7x $9m.

$9m x 7 years = $63m.

14 août 2020 à 22 h 15

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Not sure where you're getting the $80m figure from in your earlier post if you think he'll look for 7x $9m.

$9m x 7 years = $63m.

Yeah, I know. I was initially thinking he could get close to Panarin money, which is where the $80M came from.

Now that you're saying you believe he is worth much less than, I backtracked to ask if you if you thought he was closer to $9M (just realized I didn't put a question mark there) which would be the $63M.

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15 août 2020 à 14 h 1

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Quoting: Shakabakes

You're actually not wrong to be fair, as he probably can get $9m+ from teams. Offers like that probably won't be forthcoming from contenders like Boston or Colorado though, so the question for him will be if he takes $9m+ to play on a lesser team, or if he takes $1m (or more) less AAV in order to play on a contender.

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