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3ways are hard

Créé par: Sagecoll
Date de création initiale: 9 juill. 2020
Publié: 14 juill. 2020
Équipe: 2020-21 Rangers de New York
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Deangelo, Anthony65 850 000 $
Faksa, Radek32 950 000 $
Lemieux, Brendan21 450 000 $
Di Giuseppe, Phillip2850 000 $
Benning, Matthew21 350 000 $
Georgiev, Alexandar21 950 000 $
Dunn, Vince65 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Larsson, Johan21 800 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYR
  1. Faksa, Radek [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2021 7e round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Howden, Brett
  2. 2021 4e round pick (NYR)
2.
NYR
  1. Benning, Matthew [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2020 7e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Andersson, Lias
  2. 2021 5e round pick (NYR)
3.
NYR
  1. Hartman, Ryan
MIN
  1. Lundqvist, Henrik (3 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Hájek, Libor
4.
NYR
  1. 2020 1e round pick (TBL)
SJS
  1. Strome, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2021 6e round pick (NYR)
5.
NYR
  1. Jones, Max
  2. 2020 1e round pick (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
Part 1 of 3 way Deal.
ANA
  1. Trouba, Jacob
6.
NYR
  1. Dunn, Vince [Droits de RFA]
STL
  1. Jones, Max
  2. 2021 1e round pick (NYR)
  3. 2021 3e round pick (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
Part 2 of 3 way deal.
Rachats de contrats
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: 6 083 333 $
  • Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
  • Ryan Spooner: 300 000 $
  • Brad Richards: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Henrik Lundqvist: 3 500 000 $ (233.33%)
Enfoui
  • Brendan Smith: 3 275 000 $ (4 350 000 $)
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $77 369 800 $0 $8 362 500 $4 130 200 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Panarin, Artemi
11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 6
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Chytil, Filip
894 166 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
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Kakko, Kaapo
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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Kreider, Chris
6 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 7
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Zibanejad, Mika
5 350 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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Buchnevich, Pavel
3 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Gauthier, Julien
863 333 $
AD
RFA - 1
Faksa, Radek
2 950 000 $
C
UFA - 5
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Kravtsov, Vitali
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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Lemieux, Brendan
1 450 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Larsson, Johan
1 800 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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Hartman, Ryan
1 900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Lindgren, Ryan
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
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Fox, Adam
925 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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Shesterkin, Igor
925 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Dunn, Vince
5 250 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Deangelo, Anthony
5 850 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Georgiev, Alexandar
1 950 000 $
G
RFA - 2
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Miller, K'Andre
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
Benning, Matthew
1 350 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Di Giuseppe, Phillip
850 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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Staal, Marc
5 700 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1

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14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 9
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Dunn vastly overpaid, Lundqvist isn't waiving his NMC for Minnesota. Once again Anaheim doesn't have the cap to fit Trouba nor would he play there so not happening.
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 10
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Poor Hank... we could keep him and slowly turn him into a coach (if he wants of course)
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 11
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Dunn vastly overpaid, Lundqvist isn't waiving his NMC for Minnesota. Once again Anaheim doesn't have the cap to fit Trouba nor would he play there so not happening.


I also don't think the Wild would like to have Lundquist
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 18
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Poor Hank... we could keep him and slowly turn him into a coach (if he wants of course)


he'll have his number retired within 2 years regardless I don't think this really hurts our relationship with him. We traded Leetch and Messier and they're both working with our organization.
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 20
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I also don't think the Wild would like to have Lundquist


Agreed Lundqvist just isn't a match in Minnesota, Not sure if he gets moved or stays. If he waives would be curious where he goes. just know it wont be Minnesota.
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 20
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he'll have his number retired within 2 years regardless I don't think this really hurts our relationship with him. We traded Leetch and Messier and they're both working with our organization.


What do you think about what Zuuuc said about us and Hank earlier this year?
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 25
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I also don't think the Wild would like to have Lundquist


Seems like a bit of a no-brainer for them. Hartman would cost Hajek alone, The Wild get to massively upgrade their goaltending without blocking Kahkonen long-term at the cost of 3 mil in cap space. Lundqvist gets to play on a contender (at least with him in net) with his best friend Zucc. The numbers are easy to understand. All the data we have shows that Minnesota would be a serious cup contender if not for their goaltending. Kaapo isn't quite ready to be a #1 next season. Stalock and Dybnyk both grade out as 2 of the worst goalies in the entire league.

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14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 27
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
What do you think about what Zuuuc said about us and Hank earlier this year?


I think it makes Minnesota one of the few possible destinations for Hank to waive his NMC. Hank wants to play for a contender, somewhere he'll get playing time (he'd be their #1 goalie easily) and somewhere he has friends. Wild check all of those boxes. Gorton is well known to be super cold when it comes to players and negotiations, it's business. Some can handle it. Some can't. Zucc got paid though, he'll be fine.
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 40
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Hearty decline from SJ. Strome ain't worth a 1st in a deep draft.
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 44
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thats what she said
Sagecoll a aimé ceci.
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 44
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Why would Edmonton do that?
14 juill. 2020 à 10 h 53
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Why would Edmonton do that?


getting younger, cheaper, having more team control, moving assets from a point of strength to a need, all of the above? Lias just put up a point/gm pace in the SHL and he's younger than Benson. Just needs an opportunity to play legit mins that New York hasn't given him. Also naturally opens up a spot for Bouchard. Pick upgrade doesn't hurt either.
14 juill. 2020 à 11 h 43
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getting younger, cheaper, having more team control, moving assets from a point of strength to a need, all of the above? Lias just put up a point/gm pace in the SHL and he's younger than Benson. Just needs an opportunity to play legit mins that New York hasn't given him. Also naturally opens up a spot for Bouchard. Pick upgrade doesn't hurt either.


IMO Benning has more value than Andersson and a late round pick swap is nowhere near the difference.

But it's interesting that you should compare Andersson to Benson (who also has less value than Benning). Both played in the AHL as 20 and 21-year-olds, so there is some basis to compare:

At 20
TB: 68, 15-51-66 +21 (0.97 P/GP)
LA: 36, 6-14-20 -24 (0.56 P/GP)

At 21
TB: 47, 9-27-36 -10 (0.77 P/GP)
LA: 13, 4-1-5 -9 (0.38 P/GP)

Overall career boxcars in the AHL
TB: 120, 24-81-105 +10 (0.88 P/GP)
LA: 74, 15-24-39 -33 (0.53 P/GP)

Other than being a center, I don't think there's much basis for thinking Andersson is a better prospect than Tyler Benson. Fifteen games in the SHL (at 0.80 P/GP) isn't enough to erase the years of mediocre play on the part of the NYR prospect. It's a glimmer of hope, nothing more.
14 juill. 2020 à 12 h 54
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IMO Benning has more value than Andersson and a late round pick swap is nowhere near the difference.

But it's interesting that you should compare Andersson to Benson (who also has less value than Benning). Both played in the AHL as 20 and 21-year-olds, so there is some basis to compare:

At 20
TB: 68, 15-51-66 +21 (0.97 P/GP)
LA: 36, 6-14-20 -24 (0.56 P/GP)

At 21
TB: 47, 9-27-36 -10 (0.77 P/GP)
LA: 13, 4-1-5 -9 (0.38 P/GP)

Overall career boxcars in the AHL
TB: 120, 24-81-105 +10 (0.88 P/GP)
LA: 74, 15-24-39 -33 (0.53 P/GP)

Other than being a center, I don't think there's much basis for thinking Andersson is a better prospect than Tyler Benson. Fifteen games in the SHL (at 0.80 P/GP) isn't enough to erase the years of mediocre play on the part of the NYR prospect. It's a glimmer of hope, nothing more.


oh nice you like statistics

I compared age*...

But again it's pretty tough to compare someone like Benson vs. Lias. Lias had a foot injury for most of this year. and Hartford last year was the worst AHL team in the league (they cleaned out their entire staff after last year) while Bakersfield ran away with the division last year.

Looking at the NHLe numbers and the primary points to try and isolate individual contributions from team quality: (NHL translations for reference: https://twitter.com/mannyelk/status/1014216462695878658 )

DY + 1: Benson (WHL) 1.09 P1/GP = 0.17 NHLe P1/GP
DY + 1: Andersson (SHL) 0.50 P1/GP = 0.32 NHLe P1/GP
DY + 1: Andersson (AHL) 0.28 P1/GP = 0.12 NHLe P1/GP

D + 2: Benson (WHL) 0.95 P1/GP = 0.15 NHLe P1/GP
D + 2: Andersson (AHL) 0.39 P1/GP = 0.17 NHLe P1/GP
D + 2: Andersson (NHL) 0.10 P1/GP = 0.10 NHLe P1/GP

D + 3: Benson (AHL) 0.71 P1/GP = 0.30 NHLe P1/GP
D + 3: Andersson (AHL) 0.38 P1/GP = 0.16 NHLe P1/GP
D + 3: Andersson (SHL) 0.60 P1/GP = 0.38 NHLe P1/GP

D+ 4: Benson (AHL) .55 P1/GP = 0.23 NHLe P1/GP

The trade wasn't Lias for Benson so I'm not sure why you're forcing the comparison, when the entire point was just to show age. But Lias is a defensive C, Benson is a pass heavy winger. The fact that their point production when you control for context is close doesn't really make Benson look far superior at all...
 
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