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Jost to EDM

Créé par: Richard88
Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 23 juin 2020
Publié: 23 juin 2020
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RFAANSCAP HIT
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COL
  1. Samorukov, Dmitri
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Colorado get a near-NHL-ready LHD prospect who has good mobility and plays a solid all-round game.

With 1-2 more seasons in the AHL he can iron out his game and then make the step up to the 3rd pair behind Byram and Girard when Graves starts to price himself out.
EDM
  1. Jost, Tyson [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Edmonton get a young, cheap, and defensively-responsible 3C with top 6 upside.

Edmonton can afford to move Samorukov given that they have Klefbom, Nurse, Broberg, and Jones at LHD.
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COL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (FLA)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (COL)
FLA
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [Droits de RFA]
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COL
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (COL)
OTT
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [Droits de RFA]
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23 juin 2020 à 14 h 54
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Well that's definitely not happening. Jost is worth around a 2nd and 3rd on his own, so even adding anything to him for an unproven player is a stretch.

Samorukov may be a nice prospect, but you're definitely overvaluing him with that ask.

As a comparison I've asked Winnipeg fans about Chisholm (3rd highest scoring Dman in his junior league this year) and a couple of their fans agreed that Chisholm + 3rd for Jost was agreeable. Needless to say, though Samorukov is a nice prospect I think there would be much better options elsewhere than your counter-proposal.


I told you that you wouldn’t like it, so it looks like we are keeping him. I knew I was going to overvalue him..
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23 juin 2020 à 15 h 1
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I wasn’t planning on trading Benson, so I don’t know what you are getting at hahah. Now as you know, you are now just making up these “rules”. And how much “rules” are there?? And if you don’t mind to name them all that would be great.


I've got to come up with some more. Maybe You can't have more than 9 lefties or righties at forward? Maybe You can't have two right-handed goalies?
23 juin 2020 à 15 h 2
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I've got to come up with some more. Maybe You can't have more than 9 lefties or righties at forward? Maybe You can't have two right-handed goalies?


Exactly!! You should make a whole bunch!!
23 juin 2020 à 15 h 14
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Quoting: Richard88
Why? Jost is at least a proven 3rd liner (with 2nd line upside), which is more than you can say of Puljujarvi at this stage. I think Holland would take that deal pretty easily.


Edmonton needs a 3C more than a middle-6 winger. I don't think Holland would be interested in Jost much.
23 juin 2020 à 15 h 26
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Quoting: Leon_HART_Draisaitl
Edmonton needs a 3C more than a middle-6 winger. I don't think Holland would be interested in Jost much.


Jost is a 3C. He just plays on the wing because we have Compher.

The only argument against Jost at C is his FO%, but FO's are overrated in the NHL these days anyways.
23 juin 2020 à 15 h 29
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I would be careful about trading Jost. He had a pretty positive impact this season but just hasn't quite found his scoring touch at the NHL level. He could still boom, but you also know he won't bust. And since he's cheap, it makes sense to hold onto him unless an offer is too good to pass up (imo).


I agree in theory that he can still break out. But how likely is he to break out if he continues playing the role he currently has in Colorado? If we add a top 6 forward then that limits his opportunities even more, and at that stage we'd just be sitting on a high-potential asset and letting in depreciate instead of getting decent value for him while he's still young.
23 juin 2020 à 15 h 38
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
But you left out Broberg from your last sentence.


Broberg's arrival will be timed precisely with Klefbom becoming a UFA. Coincidence? I think not.
23 juin 2020 à 15 h 44
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Quoting: Richard88
I agree in theory that he can still break out. But how likely is he to break out if he continues playing the role he currently has in Colorado? If we add a top 6 forward then that limits his opportunities even more, and at that stage we'd just be sitting on a high-potential asset and letting in depreciate instead of getting decent value for him while he's still young.


I get where you're coming from, and I know many will disagree with this, but I don't see him depreciating much from where he is now. If anything I can see his value going up (think Burakovsky) if he flashes more of the scoring potential that I think he has.

What I would like to see is a line with him and Nichushkin. Compher could be the third, or maybe Bowers or Kaut down the line. I think those guys could play a lot of minutes and make life really tough on the opposition. They may not score a ton, but I bet they spend a good amount of time in the offensive zone.

I just see too much of a William Karlsson type development arc where a trade can come back and bite the Avs. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't trade him unless it was part of something bigger that would put the team over the top.
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23 juin 2020 à 15 h 48
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Quoting: Richard88
Jost is a 3C. He just plays on the wing because we have Compher.

The only argument against Jost at C is his FO%, but FO's are overrated in the NHL these days anyways.


Jost can't play C at the NHL level. And if Compher is blocking a player, you know he doesn't have much value.

Ergo: with a healthy roster, Jost doesn't even make the top-12 forwards. He'll likely start the playoffs in the press box waiting for an injury to occur.

Stop trying to argue that Jost would make a good 3C when there's absolutely no evidence of that anywhere.
23 juin 2020 à 15 h 56
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Quoting: SuckMyAvs
I get where you're coming from, and I know many will disagree with this, but I don't see him depreciating much from where he is now. If anything I can see his value going up (think Burakovsky) if he flashes more of the scoring potential that I think he has.

What I would like to see is a line with him and Nichushkin. Compher could be the third, or maybe Bowers or Kaut down the line. I think those guys could play a lot of minutes and make life really tough on the opposition. They may not score a ton, but I bet they spend a good amount of time in the offensive zone.

I just see too much of a William Karlsson type development arc where a trade can come back and bite the Avs. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't trade him unless it was part of something bigger that would put the team over the top.


Fair points. I could get onboard with that.

Keeping him is far from a bad option, and you are right it would certainly be nice to see him play on a line with Nichuskin. Jost is very good at defending high up the ice, so they could be effective at keeping the puck in the zone as you said.

That said, if we add a forward, then that bumps Donskoi down. And I don't think Jost beats any of Nichuskin/Compher/Donskoi for a role on the 3rd line. He'd effectively be relegated to the 4th line, but then that means that Kaut stays in the AHL. I suppose we could bump Bellemare down, but that's not really ideal either.

The thing is, Jost would actually be a useful player to have in 2021/22 when Bellemare and Calvert hit UFA and when capspace will be at a premium, but for this upcoming season I just don't see a role for him if we want to upgrade at forward. And the fact that he was showcased at the deadline suggests that he's likely going to get traded this offseason, barring a huge performance in the playoffs that would warrant keeping him instead of making an upgrade.
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23 juin 2020 à 15 h 59
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Quoting: Leon_HART_Draisaitl
Jost can't play C at the NHL level. And if Compher is blocking a player, you know he doesn't have much value.

Ergo: with a healthy roster, Jost doesn't even make the top-12 forwards. He'll likely start the playoffs in the press box waiting for an injury to occur.

Stop trying to argue that Jost would make a good 3C when there's absolutely no evidence of that anywhere.

Since when was Compher a bad player? The dude is a 0.5ppg who PK's, takes FO's, plays on the PP, and is generally a nuisance to play against. Edmonton would be happy to have him as 3C.

As for Jost potentially not being in our top 12, that speaks more to the quality of our depth than him. Also, Edmonton don't have anywhere near the depth that Colorado does. Our 13th-15th forwards (3 of Jost/Nieto/Wilson/Kamenev) would easily make Edmonton's bottom 6.

Jost played C in last years playoffs and did very well. Same thing after the deadline this year (7 points in 9 games).
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23 juin 2020 à 16 h 10
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Too much risk for Avs? Not worth it for a 3rd pairing Dman?

I figure that a pick + prospect who plays a position that's shallow in our prospect pool would be a reasonable return on Jost, instead of just dropping him for 2nd + 3rd round picks that won't impact the roster for like 3 years.


they already have a lot of young d prospects
23 juin 2020 à 16 h 14
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Fair points. I could get onboard with that.

Keeping him is far from a bad option, and you are right it would certainly be nice to see him play on a line with Nichuskin. Jost is very good at defending high up the ice, so they could be effective at keeping the puck in the zone as you said.

That said, if we add a forward, then that bumps Donskoi down. And I don't think Jost beats any of Nichuskin/Compher/Donskoi for a role on the 3rd line. He'd effectively be relegated to the 4th line, but then that means that Kaut stays in the AHL. I suppose we could bump Bellemare down, but that's not really ideal either.

The thing is, Jost would actually be a useful player to have in 2021/22 when Bellemare and Calvert hit UFA and when capspace will be at a premium, but for this upcoming season I just don't see a role for him if we want to upgrade at forward. And the fact that he was showcased at the deadline suggests that he's likely going to get traded this offseason, barring a huge performance in the playoffs that would warrant keeping him instead of making an upgrade.


Yeah he will be great to have if/when Nieto, Calvert, and PEB are gone. I also feel like Compher ends up in Seattle. Yes the team has Newhook and Bowers on the way, but Jost could take some of the pressure off those guys as they adapt to the level of competition.

We may even get to a point where a guy like Compher or Donskoi needs to be moved for cap purposes. The team is in good shape overall, but if they go after a big fish like Hall then they may need to move a JTC to free up some space. Jost will be cheap for at least a couple more years, so that could come in handy.

I think the key is finally giving him a more defined role. He hasn't been able to cut it in the top six, but is now looking like a solid option for the third line. Hopefully he can stick somewhere for most of the year for once and carve out his niche. We'll see. He's definitely an interesting case and one of the more polarizing players Colorado has.
23 juin 2020 à 16 h 30
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Don't know why oilers fans are saying they wouldn't take this. Samorukov is probably a third pairing maybe 4th d-man. We get a cheap young 3C that could turn into a 2nd liner. I'd take this especially since we have lots of young LD prospects and nhl ready players.
23 juin 2020 à 16 h 52
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they already have a lot of young d prospects


Actually once Byram and Timmins graduate, which should be as soon as next season, we'll be down to just 1 LHD (Zhuravlyov) and 1 RHD (Helleson) as realistic NHL D prospects. That being the case I think it would be nice to add another LHD and/or RHD to the prospect pool to solidify our depth a bit. Particularly on the right side where we're really counting on Timmins staying healthy (after his concussion year last year).
 
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