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One Trade I Would Have Made During 2015 Draft Based On Hindsight

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Équipe: 2019-20 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 8 juin 2020
Publié: 11 juin 2020
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Derrick Pouliot was the best Penguins prospect from 2012-2016 & the team put a lot of faith in him. Obviously he turned out to be a bust & the team gave him up for scraps. Looking back, I would’ve sent him to Toronto when his value was through the roof. They needed an elite defenseman & are generally good at working with young troublesome hockey players.

With this team, Sheary would’ve been expendable after the cup run. I’d trade him for DeMelo of SJS.

Lineup for 2016-17:

Guentzel (.894) - Crosby (8.7) - Hornqvist (4.25)
Kunitz (3.85) - Malkin (9.5) - Kessel (6.8)
Hagelin (4) - Bonino (1.9) - Marner (.925)
Kuhnhackl (.7) - Cullen (1.5) - Rust (.7)

Dumoulin (.894) - Hainsey (1.415)
Maatta (4.083) - Daley (3.3)
Cole (2.1) - Schultz (1.4)

Murray (3.75)
Fleury (5)

Wilson (.7)
Rowney (.7)
Strait (2.625)

Total Cap Hit: 68.686 / 73 Million

After this season, the Pens lose Fleury to Vegas. In need of a third line center, I would’ve traded Sundqvist to Florida for McCann. Also trade the 2017 1st & 2nd to Chicago for Jokiharju.

2017-18 Lineup:

Guentzel (.894) - Crosby (8.7) - Marner (.925)
Hagelin (4) - Malkin (9.5) - Hornqvist (4.25)
Rust (.7) - McCann (.894) - Kessel (6.8)
ZAR (.925) - Sheahan (2.5) - Kuhnhackl (.7)

Dumoulin (4.1) - Letang (7.25)
Maatta (4) - Schultz (5.5)
Oleksiak (.96) - DeMelo (.9)

Murray (3.75)
DeSmith (.7)

Simon (.894)
Rowney (.7)
Ruhwedel (.7)

Total Cap Hit: 70.325 / 75 Million
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Kessel, Phil
66 800 000 $
Marner, Mitchell
3925 000 $
Hornqvist, Patric
34 250 000 $
Rust, Bryan
3700 000 $
Kunitz, Chris
23 850 000 $
Hagelin, Carl
44 000 000 $
Bonino, Nick
21 900 000 $
Fehr, Eric
32 000 000 $
Cullen, Matt
1800 000 $
Kuhnhackl, Tom
3700 000 $
Daley, Trevor
23 300 000 $
Dumoulin, Brian
2894 166 $
Maatta, Olli
1894 166 $
Cole, Ian
32 100 000 $
Lovejoy, Ben
11 100 000 $
Fleury, Marc-Andre
45 000 000 $
Murray, Matt
2925 000 $
Sheary, Conor
2700 000 $
Schultz, Justin
12 125 000 $
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      Marner, Mitchell
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      Kunitz, Chris
      3 850 000 $3 850 000 $
      Kessel, Phil
      6 800 000 $6 800 000 $
      Hagelin, Carl
      4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
      Fehr, Eric
      2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
      Kuhnhackl, Tom
      700 000 $700 000 $
      Bonino, Nick
      1 900 000 $1 900 000 $
      Cullen, Matt
      800 000 $800 000 $
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      894 166 $894 166 $
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      7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
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      UFA - 3
      Murray, Matt
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      Daley, Trevor
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      Fleury, Marc-Andre
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      Lovejoy, Ben
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      Maatta, Olli
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      Cole, Ian
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      Sheary, Conor
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      UFA - 3
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      AD, AG
      UFA - 1
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      UFA - 1
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      UFA - 1
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      Unités spéciales

      Avantage numérique 1
      Kessel, P.
      Hornqvist, P.
      Avantage numérique 2
      Marner, M.
      Bonino, N.
      Kunitz, C.
      Dumoulin, B.
      Daley, T.
      Infériorité numérique 1
      Cullen, M.
      Fehr, E.
      Dumoulin, B.
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      Bonino, N.
      Hagelin, C.
      Cole, I.
      Lovejoy, B.

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      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 8
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      Leafs wouldnt even touch that.
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      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 9
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      The leafs don't do that trade now, then or in 1000 years when the space aliens with a time machine point a death ray at Toronto
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      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 15
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      Are you able to go a day without Marners sack bouncing off your chin? Instead of creating absurd trades, make them somewhat realistic
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 23
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      Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
      Are you able to go a day without Marners sack bouncing off your chin? Instead of creating absurd trades, make them somewhat realistic


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      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 23
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      Quoting: SammyT_51
      Leafs wouldnt even touch that.


      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      The leafs don't do that trade now, then or in 1000 years when the space aliens with a time machine point a death ray at Toronto


      I think the Leafs would’ve accepted the trade at the time because they needed young elite defensemen & Pouliot was one of the best at the time.
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 27
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      Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
      I think the Leafs would’ve accepted the trade at the time because they needed young elite defensemen & Pouliot was one of the best at the time.


      No, they wouldn't have. Not even close. Like they wouldn't even consider considering it. You know when people day "the leafs would laugh and hang up"? But they're just exaggerating to make a point? The leafs would have literally howled with laughter until the pens hung up embarrassed
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 28
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      Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
      I think the Leafs would’ve accepted the trade at the time because they needed young elite defensemen & Pouliot was one of the best at the time.


      Then why not just draft Hanifin instead?
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      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 30
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      Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
      I think the Leafs would’ve accepted the trade at the time because they needed young elite defensemen & Pouliot was one of the best at the time.


      No he wasn't. And they wouldn't. They wanted to pick forward with that pick.
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 34
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      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      No, they wouldn't have. Not even close. Like they wouldn't even consider considering it. You know when people day "the leafs would laugh and hang up"? But they're just exaggerating to make a point? The leafs would have literally howled with laughter until the pens hung up embarrassed


      You’re not processing the trade rationally. Obviously it wouldn’t work if the trade were to happen now since both guys going to Toronto became busts, but at the time, it would’ve made sense. An elite defenceman & promising young Forward with top 6 potential. It would’ve been a deal the Leafs couldn’t resist since they gained more pieces for their rebuild.
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 41
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      No he wasn't. And they wouldn't. They wanted to pick forward with that pick.


      The Leafs already had Kadri, Nylander, Kapanen, Bracco, Brown & Engvall at the Forward position for the future. They were going to get another elite Forward (Matthews) in 2016 anyway. It would’ve made much more sense for them to go after a defenceman, since they only had Rielly who had an elite ceiling. Not to mention they would’ve got Bennett in this trade too so add to their talent up front.
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 41
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      Quoting: jordant89
      Then why not just draft Hanifin instead?


      That’s what they could’ve done, but why not do this trade in which you get a top 6 winger as well?
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 42
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      Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
      The Leafs already had Kadri, Nylander, Kapanen, Bracco, Brown & Engvall at the Forward position for the future. They were going to get another elite Forward (Matthews) in 2016 anyway. It would’ve made much more sense for them to go after a defenceman, since they only had Rielly who had an elite ceiling. Not to mention they would’ve got Bennett in this trade too so add to their talent up front.


      Bennett was a 4th liner and Pouliot is failed prospect who wouldnt touch NHL with Leafs. Leafs wanted a forward in 2015 Draft.
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 45
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      Quoting: SammyT_51
      Bennett was a 4th liner and Pouliot is failed prospect who wouldnt touch NHL with Leafs. Leafs wanted a forward in 2015 Draft.


      Bennett was a top 6 talent & he should’ve got more opportunities in PIT but Bylsma never gave the young players any opportunity. Pouliot had elite potential. It was reported that Babcock & the coaching staff wanted Hanifin but Lamariello wanted Marner.
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 47
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      Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
      Bennett was a top 6 talent & he should’ve got more opportunities in PIT but Bylsma never gave the young players any opportunity. Pouliot had elite potential. It was reported that Babcock & the coaching staff wanted Hanifin but Lamariello wanted Marner.


      Lamoriello wasnt even in Leafs organization when draft happened.. Shanahan wanted forward, Babcock wanted Hanifin, and two co-GMs in Hunter and Dubas wanted forward.
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 50
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      Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
      Bennett was a top 6 talent & he should’ve got more opportunities in PIT but Bylsma never gave the young players any opportunity. Pouliot had elite potential. It was reported that Babcock & the coaching staff wanted Hanifin but Lamariello wanted Marner.


      Pretty sure it wasn't.

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      Lamoriello wasnt even in Leafs organization when draft happened
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 52
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      Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
      You’re not processing the trade rationally. Obviously it wouldn’t work if the trade were to happen now since both guys going to Toronto became busts, but at the time, it would’ve made sense. An elite defenceman & promising young Forward with top 6 potential. It would’ve been a deal the Leafs couldn’t resist since they gained more pieces for their rebuild.


      You can't process anything with marner rational like. Yiur trade js bad, the leafs never consider it, ever. Full stop
      11 juin 2020 à 14 h 52
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      Quoting: SammyT_51
      Lamoriello wasnt even in Leafs organization when draft happened.. Shanahan wanted forward, Babcock wanted Hanifin, and two co-GMs in Hunter and Dubas wanted forward.


      Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
      Pretty sure it wasn't.


      Well, my mistake then. But my point is, the Leafs would've been in a better position right now if they developed an elite defenceman rather than Marner.
      11 juin 2020 à 15 h 3
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      marner had to much potential and that trade would have made the Rask one childs play. The fact people passed on him and he was taken 4th was perfect for the leafs (thanks arizona for taking strome). From playing with JVR and Bozak, Marner developed into an amazing RW who now can achieve 100 point seasons when healthy. He can lead a pp, can pk, and can skate like a rocket when needed, basically the ideal playmaking center. That trade would have been seen as one of the worst in NHL history as both those guys today are older and in the AHL.
      11 juin 2020 à 15 h 16
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      Well, my mistake then. But my point is, the Leafs would've been in a better position right now if they developed an elite defenceman rather than Marner.


      Cool, but which elite defenceman are they getting? Because pouliot isnt and never has been one. You're acting like hes hedman and not chris tanev 2.0
      11 juin 2020 à 15 h 48
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      Quoting: SammyT_51
      Leafs wouldnt even touch that.


      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      The leafs don't do that trade now, then or in 1000 years when the space aliens with a time machine point a death ray at Toronto


      Pouliot in 2015 was one of the D best prospects in the league. Leafs wanted him for Kessel but pens wouldn’t move him. They probably wouldn’t have traded him for marner, but leafs had serious interest in him.
      11 juin 2020 à 15 h 52
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      Quoting: mhockey91
      Pouliot in 2015 was one of the D best prospects in the league. Leafs wanted him for Kessel but pens wouldn’t move him. They probably wouldn’t have traded him for marner, but leafs had serious interest in him.


      so, right, the Leafs wouldnt have traded him for Marner in a million years. That's the entire point. And the Leafs wanted Pouliot as part of a package for Kessel, not as the main course with a side of Beau Bennett.
      11 juin 2020 à 15 h 55
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      so, right, the Leafs wouldnt have traded him for Marner in a million years. That's the entire point. And the Leafs wanted Pouliot as part of a package for Kessel, not as the main course with a side of Beau Bennett.


      I agree. Not for marner, but you’re seriously underrating Pouliots value back in 2015. He held a ton of value
      11 juin 2020 à 16 h 13
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      I agree. Not for marner, but you’re seriously underrating Pouliots value back in 2015. He held a ton of value


      im not under rating him at all, i've not said a negative word about him. He was a fine prospect back then, and he's ok now. He's just not in any conversation around a player like Marner
      11 juin 2020 à 17 h 47
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      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      im not under rating him at all, i've not said a negative word about him. He was a fine prospect back then, and he's ok now. He's just not in any conversation around a player like Marner


      I mean he stinks now but ur right probably not for Marner. I think a prospect swap involving Nylander and Him would've been fair back in the day, but not marner
      11 juin 2020 à 17 h 51
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      Quoting: mhockey91
      I mean he stinks now but ur right probably not for Marner. I think a prospect swap involving Nylander and Him would've been fair back in the day, but not marner


      i mean, you're probably closer on value, but i still doubt the leafs would have done it back then. And it certainly would have been awful for toronto in hind-site
       
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