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Créé par: austinjackson

Équipe: 2016-17 Red Wings de Detroit

Date de création initiale: 10 août 2016

Publié: 10 août 2016

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

This is meant to be a realistic scenario.

Bury Ericsson in the minors for this season since you don't need the cap space. Better off buying him out next season rather than this (and that is only if you need the cap space then). Push it back as far as you can so it won't hinder you for as long when the buyout actually happens.

Trade Howard - But no one wants him, so you don't get cap savings, you have to take salary back in return. Still better to shake things up and it is smarter than a buyout since the wings don't need the cap space right now. If they decide to buyout Niemi next season for cap room, it wouldn't hurt as bad as a Howard buyout.

Use of these players is just as important:

FORWARDS:
Larkin - Needs to be moved to Center and play 20 mins per night so he can have a bigger impact and take the next step to become an elite all around player.
Tatar - The teams best goal scorer deserves top line minutes, allowing him to become a 30+ goal scorer
Zetterberg - Needs a reduced role on the 2nd line wing to keep him fresh for the 2nd half. Nielsen can do the heavy lifting on that line.
Nielsen - Will play 20 mins per night as well, since he will anchor the 2nd line, 2nd power play unit and be a key cog on the penalty kill
Mantha - Needs top 6 minutes to succeed. Paired with a couple responsible vets who are both great playmakers. Should set things up well for the young sniper
AA/Sheahan/Vanek - Should be a nice blend of speed, size and offensive ability on the 3rd line to provide quality play for about 15 min per night
Helm - He should only move up the lineup if there are injuries. His offensive abilities are limited, but he should help the 4th line be more productive
4th Line - Ice time needs to be limited. They will provide a solid defensive presence, but shouldn't be counted on for more than 10 mins per game

DEFENSE:
Dekeyser/Shattenkirk - This pairing should play about 25 mins per night. Ride them at even strength and Shattenkirk will anchor the PP, Dekeyser the PK
Smith/Green - Should play about 20 mins/night. Their advanced stats show them as a very solid pairing when playing together last season
Kronwall/Marchenko - Kronwall needs his ice time limited to remain healthy and effective. Should only be out there for about 15-16 mins per night. Marchenko can help stabalize Kronwalls erractic play from time to time. Plenty of upside if used in the right situations.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Sproul, Ryan		2	850 000 $

Transactions

DET

Niemi, Antti

DAL

Howard, Jimmy (750 000 $ retained)
Sproul, Ryan

Détails additionnels:

Wings add Sproul to the deal since Howard is signed one extra year (and Dallas is stuck with him for that one extra year). Retained salary so there is almost no cap ramifications for either team

DET

Shattenkirk, Kevin
Choix de 3e ronde en 2017 (STL)

STL

Nyquist, Gustav
Saarijärvi, Vili
Choix de 2e ronde en 2017 (DET)

Détails additionnels:

Trade is conditional on Shattenkirk resigning with the Wings

Rachats de contrats

Stephen Weiss: 1 066 667 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Jakub Kindl: 360 000 $ (15%)
Jimmy Howard: 750 000 $ (14.17%)

Enfoui

Jonathan Ericsson: 3 300 000 $ (4 250 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2017
2018
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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	73 000 000 $	67 112 499 $	550 000 $	1 107 500 $	5 887 501 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Tatar, Tomas 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Larkin, Dylan 925 000 $925 000 $ (500 000 $$500K) C UFA - 2	Abdelkader, Justin 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $ AG, AD NTC UFA - 7
Zetterberg, Henrik 6 083 333 $6 083 333 $ C UFA - 5	Nielsen, Frans 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 6	Mantha, Anthony 863 333 $863 333 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Sheahan, Riley 2 075 000 $2 075 000 $ AG, C UFA - 2	Athanasiou, Andreas 628 333 $628 333 $ (257 500 $$258K) AG, AD UFA - 1	Vanek, Thomas 1 300 000 $1 300 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Miller, Drew 1 025 000 $1 025 000 $ (350 000 $$350K) AG, AD UFA - 1	Glendening, Luke 628 333 $628 333 $ C, AD, AG UFA - 1	Helm, Darren 3 850 000 $3 850 000 $ C, AG, AD NTC UFA - 5
Ott, Steve 800 000 $800 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1		Jurco, Tomas 900 000 $900 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
DeKeyser, Danny 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 6	Shattenkirk, Kevin 2 592 500 $2 592 500 $ DD UFA - 1	Mrázek, Petr 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
Smith, Brendan 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 1	Green, Mike 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 2
Kronwall, Niklas 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ DG NTC UFA - 3	Marchenko, Alexey 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Niemi, Antti 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G NTC UFA - 2
Ouellet, Xavier 715 000 $715 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Franzen, Johan 3 954 545 $3 954 545 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
		Vitale, Joe 1 116 667 $1 116 667 $ C, AD UFA - 1
		Pulkkinen, Teemu 812 500 $812 500 $ AG RFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Vanek, T.		Larkin, D.		Abdelkader, J.
	Tatar, T.		Shattenkirk, K.

Avantage numérique 2
Athanasiou, A.		Nielsen, F.		Mantha, A.
	Zetterberg, H.		Green, M.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Nielsen, F.	Helm, D.
	DeKeyser, D.	Smith, B.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Miller, D.	Glendening, L.
	Kronwall, N.	Marchenko, A.

10 août 2016 à 12 h 19

palhal

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Can't the Wings wait a year before making a run for Shattenkirk's services, instead of giving up assets? Shattenkirk was a minus 22 with the Blues last year. Is he really deserving of all the love and money people are giving him?

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10 août 2016 à 12 h 28

austinjackson

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Quoting: palhal

A couple of points to that:
1. The Wings have struck out in Free Agency since the Hossa signing. It's time they stop waiting/hoping for that and get assertive to get the players they want and need to succeed.
2. That was the first minus season of Shattenkirk's career since his rookie year. He's a consistent point producer cap capable of playing big minnutes (especially when paired with someone like Dekeyser; in STL they played Bouwmeester and Pietrangelo together, leaving Shattenkirk with second hand partners)

10 août 2016 à 12 h 29

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I couldn't take you seriously after only reading the first line of the description. No team is going to put a $4+ million contract in the minors. If you want to be hired as the GM, you should probably start by respecting money, and that is a massive waste.

10 août 2016 à 12 h 33

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Quoting: Hockey_Mind

Wouldn't be the first time it was done but I agree - he isn't getting buried.

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10 août 2016 à 12 h 34

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Why would you want to give up 2 good assets for 1 year of Shatty. If it's 1 year and there are concerns about signing him than Nyquist and Saarijärvi is too much for the wings to swallow. You would probably be fired.

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10 août 2016 à 12 h 38

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Quoting: leafs1967again

Quoting: Hockey_Mind
I couldn't take you seriously after only reading the first line of the description. No team is going to put a $4+ million contract in the minors. If you want to be hired as the GM, you should probably start by respecting money, and that is a massive waste.

Wouldn't be the first time it was done but I agree - he isn't getting buried.

You obviously don't understand how this works lol. Wings have to pay him that money either way. Either they bury him or they lose Ouellet for nothing on waivers. Ouellet's contract is less than the cap saving you get by burying him in the minors. He's not one of your top 7 D, so why would he be on the team? You have enough cap room to bury him and still ice the best team, why wouldn't you do it?

10 août 2016 à 12 h 43

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Quoting: leafs1967again

Look closer in the trade details. It says the trade is contingent on the Wings resigning Shattenkirk. Saarijärvi is a nice prospect, but zero guarantee he pans out. Wings need help now and this is what it will take to do it. They still have other high end D prospects in Hicketts, Russo and Cholowski. That doesn't even include Ouellet, Jensen, Hronek and Malmstrom

10 août 2016 à 12 h 45

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I like this lineup. You could arguably make the same deal for Trouba who is younger, but I'd be good with this. Congrats, you've got the job! haha

10 août 2016 à 12 h 50

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It has nothing to do with cap room, it has to do with millions of dollars that are just numbers on a screen to you. And you only have enough cap room because you used Rookie full cap relief on your LTIR, Mr. GM.

10 août 2016 à 13 h 47

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Quoting: Hockey_Mind

FYI the wings aren't concerned with spending money. Also, the difference isn't the $4+M buried, it is only Ouellet's deal, which they would gladly pay to avoid losing him. So not sure where your "millions" comment is coming from. It only adds $715K to the overall spend and actually saves them $235K in cap space.

As for LTIR...That is just for ease of use. It shows the max relief you would qualify for and the max available to spend. With this lineup, they wouldn't use the full relief, they would miss out on the $930K because it is not being used on other roster players. Doesn't mean it is not feasible. Teams do qualify for the full relief if salary cap spend is maxed out at the start of the season.

10 août 2016 à 13 h 50

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Quoting: Hockey_Mind

Flyers Buried MacDonald in the minors for most of last year.

10 août 2016 à 13 h 50

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Can Detroit still buyout Ericksson if they need to this year? Or do they have to wait till next years buy out period?

10 août 2016 à 13 h 57

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Can Detroit still buyout Ericksson if they need to this year? Or do they have to wait till next years buy out period?

I don't think they can buy him out this year. The first window was a while back and the second one never came up since they settled before going to arbitration.

10 août 2016 à 14 h 6

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Quoting: austinjackson

Quoting: F50marco
Can Detroit still buyout Ericksson if they need to this year? Or do they have to wait till next years buy out period?

I don't think they can buy him out this year. The first window was a while back and the second one never came up since they settled before going to arbitration.

OK Thanks. I don't mind the trades. Their not perfect but their not terrible either.

Its amazing to think that Detroit traded away Datsyuk's 7.5M contract and are still in the sh*ts regarding the cap. IMHO i don't think Holland has done a very good job managing the cap these past years. That Datsyuk deal though was a stupendous though. Can't believe Arizona didn't get more. That one was impressive IMO.

10 août 2016 à 14 h 14

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Quoting: F50marco

Quoting: austinjackson
Quoting: F50marco
Can Detroit still buyout Ericksson if they need to this year? Or do they have to wait till next years buy out period?

I don't think they can buy him out this year. The first window was a while back and the second one never came up since they settled before going to arbitration.

OK Thanks. I don't mind the trades. Their not perfect but their not terrible either.

Its amazing to think that Detroit traded away Datsyuk's 7.5M contract and are still in the sh*ts regarding the cap. IMHO i don't think Holland has done a very good job managing the cap these past years. That Datsyuk deal though was a stupendous though. Can't believe Arizona didn't get more. That one was impressive IMO.

Well they went and spent all that money right away on Nielsen and Helm's raise (which is far too much for what he brings to the team). That also doesn't consider Dekeyser and Mrazek's big raises. He's given out some very bad deals over the past 4-5 years and really that Datsyuk contract trade was about the only good thing he's done aside from drafting some decent players. Its unfortunate he didn't just take the President of Hockey Operations roll that was offered to him a few years back allowing Nill or Stevie Y to take over as GM. Both have done much better and made many smarter decisions.

10 août 2016 à 15 h 23

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Quoting: austinjackson

Quoting: Hockey_Mind
It has nothing to do with cap room, it has to do with millions of dollars that are just numbers on a screen to you. And you only have enough cap room because you used Rookie full cap relief on your LTIR, Mr. GM.

FYI the wings aren't concerned with spending money. Also, the difference isn't the $4+M buried, it is only Ouellet's deal, which they would gladly pay to avoid losing him. So not sure where your "millions" comment is coming from. It only adds $715K to the overall spend and actually saves them $235K in cap space.

As for LTIR...That is just for ease of use. It shows the max relief you would qualify for and the max available to spend. With this lineup, they wouldn't use the full relief, they would miss out on the $930K because it is not being used on other roster players. Doesn't mean it is not feasible. Teams do qualify for the full relief if salary cap spend is maxed out at the start of the season.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If they bury Ericsson they still pay him, regardless of the 925k they save off the cap. Show me an owner willing to pay a player $4.25 million to play in the AHL, and I'll show you a man who wont be rich much longer. These men don't throw away money like that.

10 août 2016 à 15 h 26

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Hockey_Mind i say again...Flyers buried MacDonald in the AHL for most of the year. If you need that $1 space you do it.

10 août 2016 à 15 h 27

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

Quoting: Hockey_Mind
I couldn't take you seriously after only reading the first line of the description. No team is going to put a $4+ million contract in the minors. If you want to be hired as the GM, you should probably start by respecting money, and that is a massive waste.

Flyers Buried MacDonald in the minors for most of last year.

MacDonald was a totally different case. The Flyers didn't bury him because of his play. He was demoted was because they desperately needed the $950k in cap space. Once Schenn was traded he came back up and played decent with Gostisbehere. He wont be sent down this year.

10 août 2016 à 15 h 28

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Hockey_Mind i say again...Flyers buried MacDonald in the AHL for most of the year. If you need that $1 space you do it.

It was also a mid-season move. It is August 10th now, so talking about burying $4.25 mil is totally out of the question.

10 août 2016 à 15 h 30

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Quoting: Hockey_Mind

Quoting: DirtyDangles
Hockey_Mind i say again...Flyers buried MacDonald in the AHL for most of the year. If you need that $1 space you do it.

It was also a mid-season move. It is August 10th now, so talking about burying $4.25 mil is totally out of the question.

MacDonald started the year in the AHL actually.

10 août 2016 à 15 h 30

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Unfortuantely, he is right. Ericsson is either placed on LTIR (hip), bought out, traded, played, or sits as the 7th dman most nights.

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10 août 2016 à 15 h 34

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Quoting: Hockey_Mind

Quoting: austinjackson
Quoting: Hockey_Mind
It has nothing to do with cap room, it has to do with millions of dollars that are just numbers on a screen to you. And you only have enough cap room because you used Rookie full cap relief on your LTIR, Mr. GM.

FYI the wings aren't concerned with spending money. Also, the difference isn't the $4+M buried, it is only Ouellet's deal, which they would gladly pay to avoid losing him. So not sure where your "millions" comment is coming from. It only adds $715K to the overall spend and actually saves them $235K in cap space.

As for LTIR...That is just for ease of use. It shows the max relief you would qualify for and the max available to spend. With this lineup, they wouldn't use the full relief, they would miss out on the $930K because it is not being used on other roster players. Doesn't mean it is not feasible. Teams do qualify for the full relief if salary cap spend is maxed out at the start of the season.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If they bury Ericsson they still pay him, regardless of the 925k they save off the cap. Show me an owner willing to pay a player $4.25 million to play in the AHL, and I'll show you a man who wont be rich much longer. These men don't throw away money like that.

Hockey_Mind, you're not understanding that the owner has to pay the $4.25M regardless where Ericsson plays. It doesn't cost them more money to pay him to play in the AHL than the NHL. Wade Reddan was making over $6M in the AHL in the past.

10 août 2016 à 15 h 42

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Quoting: austinjackson

Quoting: Hockey_Mind
Quoting: austinjackson
Quoting: Hockey_Mind
It has nothing to do with cap room, it has to do with millions of dollars that are just numbers on a screen to you. And you only have enough cap room because you used Rookie full cap relief on your LTIR, Mr. GM.

FYI the wings aren't concerned with spending money. Also, the difference isn't the $4+M buried, it is only Ouellet's deal, which they would gladly pay to avoid losing him. So not sure where your "millions" comment is coming from. It only adds $715K to the overall spend and actually saves them $235K in cap space.

As for LTIR...That is just for ease of use. It shows the max relief you would qualify for and the max available to spend. With this lineup, they wouldn't use the full relief, they would miss out on the $930K because it is not being used on other roster players. Doesn't mean it is not feasible. Teams do qualify for the full relief if salary cap spend is maxed out at the start of the season.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If they bury Ericsson they still pay him, regardless of the 925k they save off the cap. Show me an owner willing to pay a player $4.25 million to play in the AHL, and I'll show you a man who wont be rich much longer. These men don't throw away money like that.

Hockey_Mind, you're not understanding that the owner has to pay the $4.25M regardless where Ericsson plays. It doesn't cost them more money to pay him to play in the AHL than the NHL. Wade Reddan was making over $6M in the AHL in the past.

But you're still paying someone to play in the NHL in his spot, in addition to his AHL salary. It's just not a good option, that is why it's hardly ever done. There are alternative solutions to burying the contract. I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you that Ericsson is a good player, but he isn't nearly bad enough to bury. It just doesn't make sense.

10 août 2016 à 16 h 0

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Quoting: Hockey_Mind

Quoting: austinjackson
Quoting: Hockey_Mind
Quoting: austinjackson
Quoting: Hockey_Mind
It has nothing to do with cap room, it has to do with millions of dollars that are just numbers on a screen to you. And you only have enough cap room because you used Rookie full cap relief on your LTIR, Mr. GM.

FYI the wings aren't concerned with spending money. Also, the difference isn't the $4+M buried, it is only Ouellet's deal, which they would gladly pay to avoid losing him. So not sure where your "millions" comment is coming from. It only adds $715K to the overall spend and actually saves them $235K in cap space.

As for LTIR...That is just for ease of use. It shows the max relief you would qualify for and the max available to spend. With this lineup, they wouldn't use the full relief, they would miss out on the $930K because it is not being used on other roster players. Doesn't mean it is not feasible. Teams do qualify for the full relief if salary cap spend is maxed out at the start of the season.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If they bury Ericsson they still pay him, regardless of the 925k they save off the cap. Show me an owner willing to pay a player $4.25 million to play in the AHL, and I'll show you a man who wont be rich much longer. These men don't throw away money like that.

Hockey_Mind, you're not understanding that the owner has to pay the $4.25M regardless where Ericsson plays. It doesn't cost them more money to pay him to play in the AHL than the NHL. Wade Reddan was making over $6M in the AHL in the past.

But you're still paying someone to play in the NHL in his spot, in addition to his AHL salary. It's just not a good option, that is why it's hardly ever done. There are alternative solutions to burying the contract. I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you that Ericsson is a good player, but he isn't nearly bad enough to bury. It just doesn't make sense.

I've acknowledged that above. You would incur an extra $715K in actual spend to bury Ericsson and keep Ouellet up, however it is not like they're paying that $715K for nothing. That's the cost of holding onto your young prospect.

Regardless we're arguing over a moot point. It's the 7th defensemen and neither should be in the lineup over any of the other guys. If you bury Ericsson, you get to keep Ouellet, If you try and send Ouellet down, you will likely lose him for nothing on waivers. Either way the lineup set out here wouldn't change, just the guy sitting the pressbox on gameday would be different.

11 août 2016 à 11 h 36

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Quoting: austinjackson

Quoting: leafs1967again
Quoting: Hockey_Mind
I couldn't take you seriously after only reading the first line of the description. No team is going to put a $4+ million contract in the minors. If you want to be hired as the GM, you should probably start by respecting money, and that is a massive waste.

Wouldn't be the first time it was done but I agree - he isn't getting buried.

You obviously don't understand how this works lol. Wings have to pay him that money either way. Either they bury him or they lose Ouellet for nothing on waivers. Ouellet's contract is less than the cap saving you get by burying him in the minors. He's not one of your top 7 D, so why would he be on the team? You have enough cap room to bury him and still ice the best team, why wouldn't you do it?

Because there is nothing to suggest Oullet will make a huge difference. Worth playing it out. Also, not sure why you are suggesting I don't understand. I said it has happened before...

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