because he is a defensive liability...

@cbalzer28 if Zibby were available what's the asking price?

the moon if you base it off of anything said on this site.

What a trash Strome trade.

The Larkin trade is also weird....Rangers aren't winning the cup next year. Why are you trading for a player with 3 years of team control?

Because I dont need another center if I am getting Larkin....why is this so confusing? Hes way better than the 6th best prospect in one of the worst prospect pools in hockey...

Why is the Strome trade trash? I have people saying were getting too much and not getting enough. So which side are you on?

And 3 years of control is great and hes only 23 and fits the rest of the Rangers age timeline for winning moving forward... And you can re-sign him after the 3 years.

I wouldn't trade him if I were the Rangers since hes a top 10 center and fits the Rangers Rebuild timeline perfectly. But depends on what you're looking to do...rebuild again?

You have 1 Boston fan saying we're getting too much. lol.

I'd research the prospects before you start throwing them into deals, and don't pay much attention to draft position when we're 4 years removed from the draft.

Curious why you'd make a Strome trade with the Bruins. They have C's 3 lines deep, barely any cap room and one of the worst prospect pools in the entire league.

To give you an idea. Frederic would rank behind Tim Gettinger, who ranks behind Aaltonen, who ranks behind Henriksson, who ranks behind Pajuniemi, who ranks behind Barron, who ranks behind Andersson, who ranks behind Kravtsov.....And that's just the Forwards.

OK great. Not sure about the top 10 center, but that's a different debate. So last 3 years of production Zibby and Larkin are nearly identical in P/GP. Now as you said, a DET rebuild is 3-4 years. This would make Larkin 26/27 year old....roughly the same age as Zibby who you claim fits the NYR rebuild timeline perfectly.

Would Larkin then fit DET rebuild timeline perfectly?

lol he's (Ferderic) better than our 6th best and the worst prospect pool is laughable. The reason its ranked low (which idaf what Joe blow puts for a rank) is because they have so many of their young guys already on the NHL roster lol

Did you say Zibanejad and Larkin have the same production? This past season Zibanejad has 75 points in 57 games this year and Larkin has 53 points in 71 games.......

You think He's worse than Tim Gettinger? Now who's not doing there homework....

I chose him because we want players that play a strong physical gritty and good defensive game with some skill for our 4th line... Thats Frederic. And I said earlier the Bruins need center depth since Kreci is getting old and hasnt been playing as well.

No, I said last 3 years of production and I also said P/GP. You're using 1yr and just pure points. If you look at their P/GP over 3 years, the difference in production over 82 games is 8pts.

Most rankings Ive seen have him as the 5th or lower prospect for Boston...And thats how prospect pools are for everyone, once they play in the NHL for a decent stretch theyre not in the prospect pool.

Its not a slight against the Bruins, it's because they have been going for it for the last few years. That's what happens, you mortgage your prospects and picks for NHL players to win now.

Thats why the Rangers needed to do this rebuild after the 2012-2016 stretch of going for it.

He put up 73pts last year and in a "down year" this year was on pace for 52pts. Weird to say he hasn't been playing as well considering just last year he tied his career high in points. I also pointed out all the centers that Boston has.

lol The Bruins had a grand total of 1 player under 23 play at least 20 games for the Bruins. That was Charlie McAvoy. The Rangers had 5 players under 22 play at least 60 games. Someone find me all these young guys hahahahahaha.

I am just talking about this year, and Zibanejads P/GP this season is 1.32 which is 9th in the entire league...not just Centers. Larkin has never been over 1.00P/GP in his career.

Over the last 3 years Mika .93 p/GP Larkin 82.5 p/GP

So he dropped from 73 to 52 (if he keeps his pace) and hes a UFA after this season...Either way, wouldnt you rather have the center depth or play one of them at wing and continue to make a run at the cup for the next 2-3 years rather than hope a kid like Frederic can step in and play well enough?

I don't care what you're talking about lol. Your original post on this topic was...



To which I informed you no that is not what I said and right in my post i said 3yrs, but you wanted to look just a one year. If you want to look at 1yr of production that's fine, but to me it doesn't paint an accurate picture as players can have good and bad years. 3yrs of data at least will give you a better idea of what a player on average will produce at.

So you're admitting that he's a 4th liner.... You are correct though. He is strong and physical and gritty. He doesn't really have skill, and his defense is largely a result of Boston's forechecking system.

And yeah he's 22, Tim Gettinger is 21, bigger, plays C. And outscored Frederic as a 21 year old handily lol.

I'm just so confused though. You're trading a player who just put on a 70 point pace for a 4th liner? What a horrendous use of resources.

You could just trade Strome for a 2nd a player with a legitimate top 6 ceiling and take the money you're saving and sign a number of players who can do what Frederic does MUCH BETTER.

Namely: Kyle Clifford, Zemgus Girgensons, Johan Larsson, Stefan Noesen, Markus Granlund.

I mean wtf are you doing here? Trying to trade a top 6 player for a 4th liner? That's insanity.

Again they have it. Coyle is their #3C right now and Studnicka is set to make the jump next year. Frederic is waiting as is our 2019 1st rounder John Beecher. We have young centers, we don't need to trade one for a guy that isn't a #2C and is a #3C at best. Strome is a product of Panarin and the numbers prove it. But hey you only like to look at one year of stats....oddly enough I'm not sure why then you'd want to trade a guy whose P/GP this year puts him just shy of 70pts and replace him with a guy whose P/GP this year puts him at 61pts.

Which is why I gave you numbers for both, but either way you look at it Zibanejad has been much better and after this year clearly had a way better year!

Regardless, I was just saying if Detroit wants to get a bunch of assets including a goalie of the future that they desperately need and Larkin doesnt wanna be on a bad team for another 3 years of his prime this trade could make a lot of sense....But I prefaced saying that I have no idea what Larkin wants and this was a dream scenario for NYR.

....Sounds like someone didn't look at the numbers.

Here are the numbers.

https://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/wowy/1920/NYR/stromry93/wrap

Look at them for yourself. Panarin's affect on Strome is with his defense. Strome's defense is much better with Panarin. Offensively though, Strome has the same exact production with or without Panarin....

Maybe check your narrative.

lol why are you so angry its a fun exercise to see what the team could look like. and it was a 4th liner (with 3rd line upside) and a 2nd rd pick....but Legitimately, what do you think we can get for Strome? I really think you are valuing him way more than the league does. We didnt have the capspace to sign him in this scenario and upgraded 2C with Larkin so there was no need for him. Last time I did this, I flipped him for Shane Bowers of the Avalanche and was told there is no way we get him. Clearly there is a huge discrepency of what he is worth.

I already gave the numbers 3yrs by point out the difference in P/GP over 82 games was a whopping 8pts lol.



Wonder why NYR didn't trade Mika then. I mean he wasted 3 years of his prime while the Rangers were re-building, no? Maybe its because rebuilding teams don't trade 23yr old center with 1st line upside. As fun as this has been, I'm out.