Robertson is not ready. Next season he prob goes to Liga or another european league to get some more development.

Bear is not for sale!

It’s Malgin time 😬

Wouldn't trade Engvall was such a great energy guy this year

I don't think most people outside of Edmonton (I'm a Leafs fan, but a pretty hardcore hockey fan overall) know Ethan Bear, or how solid he is as a dman. I originally wanted to do Johnsson for Bear, adding a top 6 LW for Edmonton, but decided to add Engvall and the 3rd to get some kind of pick back and add a another C/W for edmonton's top 9. This trade would add 2 players who can play PP/PK, and a top 6 W and top 9 W or 3C which are both needs for Edmonton. I doubt Bear is for sale, but if he is, that is a pretty fair package, and both players coming back are cost-controlled, Johnsson for 3 more years at 3.4, and Engvall two years at 1.2.

I love Engvall, and originally was thinking 1 for 1, or adding Kerfoot and wanted a 1st, back but I think Edmonton is very high on Ethan Bear (he would step in immediately to Toronto's top 4, and PK2). Ideally this would be a 1 for 1 of Johnsson for Bear, but to make it more agreeable to all parties, I tilted the scales a bit by adding Engvall and only adding a 3rd back.

I don't disagree with the notion that Robertson isn't ready yet, but I fully expect he will get the full pre-season at a minimum to show his readiness. If he isn't that opens room for Barabanov to play 3rd line, which all of the Russian Media and Toronto Media seem to be hinting at, and would just keep Freddy Gauthier in the lineup, with prob another league min UFA signing or Malgin in the lineup.

Malgin goes to europe cause its either 4th line for him or he goes with johnsson to ottawa.

Not even close on the Edmonton trade. Oilers decline.

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This is a 2nd line Winger who plays PK, PP as bumper or right circle, and is a lock for 20 goals if healthy. Engvall is 6'5" C/W who skates the wind, has one of the heaviest shots on the Leafs, and quickly got onto PK1 with Toronto. Getting a top 6 W and top 9 C/W for a 2nd pair RD seems pretty fair considering both teams needs. Edmonton will still be able to run Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Bouchard, Jones-Russell. Unless Larsson or Bear is moved, there's no opening for Bouchard who is 100% ready for the NHL. This trade is quite fair for both teams in my opinion. Originally I was going to go 1 for 1, but added Engvall and a 3rd to tilt the scales.

In reality, Leafs fans will hate this trade due to the inclusion of both Engvall and Johnsson, and Oilers fans will think trading Bear to Toronto for anything under Nylander, which would be ludicrous and countered with Bouchard+ in that case, so ultimately, this seems like about as even a trade as you can make.

Not sure why you think Johnsson slots into top 6 in Edmonton. McDavid, Draisaitl, Hopkins, Kassian, Neal, and AA (an RFA but it you are going to tie up over 3 million in cap then spend it on the far superior player who is already part of the team). All 6 players superior to Johnsson. And Edmonton doesn't have a lot of cap space, like Toronto they are going to rely on cheap contracts to fill out their roster and be cap compliant. They have no interest in a 3rd line winger at a cap charge of 3.4 who is only 5 10 (will not stand up in the rugged western conference) and is coming off a serious leg injury. And certainly not for a defenseman you deem worthy of a top pairing spot. And a 2020 3rd round pick is worth worth more than Engvall so now the trade is even more lopsided.

the oilers dont need a pk/ pp guy
Their pp was 1st in the league
And their pk was 2nd in the league
The oilers can sign a 3c and trade for a winger for mcdavid without giving up bear

Bear has been our best D this year. So what is a 1/2 D worth? and also like @kafle22 said. Johnsson wouldnt even be on our special teams.
However the Oilers do need 1 winger to play with McDavid and a 3rd line right shot center. But we still are not trading Bear. He is part of our future.

First off, if you think for a second that current Neal, or AA are better than Johnsson you'd be incorrect. Neal now is a PP specialist, and Athanasiou is good offensively, but he is a massive drag defensively. Kassian as seen the moment he was moved from McDavid's wing, is a bottom 6 player when not with top tier talent. Johnsson would be on the PP, whether PP1 or PP2, he's definitely a PP guy, and both of them are PK guys as well. They are both, fast, competent puck movers. Johnsson is coming off a very injured season (concussion, and knee surgery) but he's a solid 40-50 guy if healthy. His only full season was 20G 40P where he worked his way up from L4. Bear is not a 1/2D. He played well this year, but just because somebody is given those minutes, doesn't mean they are one. If that was true I'd be excited to have Ceci, but he's terrible. Bear is a competent top 4 d with good underlying metrics. This trade is 100% fair in terms of value each way, I haven't even mentioned Engvall here, but I understand the hope. 2 years ago Leafs fans wouldn't have traded Dermott for the world, but due to the players in front of him (Rielly, Gardiner, then Rielly Muzzin and now Sandin), as a LD he's just expendable. Bear could be amazing, but at this stage, he's shown he can handle himself in the top 4, which is why getting two young players back at forward makes sense.

Johnsson, would be on the PP, but he wouldn't be unseeding Drai, McD, Nuge. Neal's regression makes it a wildcard, but then Yamamoto would likely step in. Johnsson would prob be the best Winger offensively on PP2 if Neal takes another step back, and Engvall likely makes PP2 as well. Both can play PK. Bear played well, but he isn't a bonafide top pair guy yet. If getting top minutes made you a top pair guy I'd be thrilled having Cody Ceci. Bear was getting about 4 minutes less than Klefbom, 3 less than Nurse, at about 21 TOI, which is right on that 2nd pair minutes area. Jones actually had better results from an analytics standpoint, but he's a LD so that doesn't work. Ultimately, if Edmonton values him very highly, then it's nothing, but in terms of young top 4 RD for young top 6 W and young top 9 C/W, both who are very fast skaters which Edmonton loves, then it's good value for both sides.

Bear plays against other teams first and 2nd pairing. Jones plays 3rd and 4th pairing guys, so as far as those analytics go, they are out the window.
Klefbomb and Larsson have been injured so Bear has played a lot with not much PP time, which Klefbomb gets a ton of
Also Chaisson has been playing the PP for the past 20 games, even when Neal was back from injury, Chaisson was the man for net presence, Not sure if Johnsson plays right in front of the goalie on the PP to take a beating, but that was Chaisson and Neals job. Neal will probably be a buy out if there is one and Chaisson will be back to that job permanently. So the Number 1 PP in the league can continue.
Oilers will move Larsson or Benning before Bear, who is a young controlable D. Like I said, he is NOT for sale PERIOD.... Not even for the often injured Johnsson who will get more injured in the big western teams.

Johnsson isn't an often injured player, but if you noticed Toronto this year, injury-wise it was the year from hell. He collided with Kapanen in the offensive-zone, causing that knee surgery. Honestly, I forget the concussion play, but he'd only had one prior concussion, it was right after he came over from Europe to the AHL, and it was a blatant elbow to the head that got that player suspended for 10 playoff games. Freak injuries aside, those were his only injuries in 6 years of pro hockey, it just so happened two came back-to-back, with the second being the freak knee injury. True, you can keep PP1 together, but both Johnsson/Engvall would make PP2 undoubtedly, and if you don't think Engvall has a place on your PK, you haven't seen him PK. Man is 6'5", uses his speed, stick and body tremendously to close lanes, and get the puck out of the zone. Even with McD/Drai, he'd be PK2.

Our PK is 2nd best in the league, so theres that and lol have you seen our PP, they play the whole time except maybe the last 10 seconds when they are trying to get the lines back together. We dont have a 2nd PP. If you want Bear so bad, you got to pay the piper. And that certainly is not it.

Well the fact is that Bear isn't worth anything more than that. After Johnsson/Engvall, you have Kapanen who you prob feel similar too, then the no-trade tier of Robertson who is a prospect, and guys who are simply too good to be moved for a guy who isn't a #1D which is Nylander. Otherwise, just not worth it.

Every leafs fan said they are not moving Kapanen, which I love. and yes Nylander is worth a ton. But my point is the oilers D was awesome this year and if we went into next year with the exact same D, I would be estatic. Oilers problems are a scoring winger for McDavid and a whole 3rd line

If it results in a top 4 D coming back, despite potential, I'd move Kappy. With those problems, i added a scoring winger who can skate and a good 3rd liner with potential.Kappy/Engvall instead I'd do too, just be less happy about it. If oilers want to keep it, then fair enough; it was a hypothetical where I tried to make the trade fair. I can recall when TSN tried to make Marner - Nurse a thing, and having a long conversation about that possibility, where I said I wouldn't do it, and an Edmonton fan was saying they wouldn't either. Not a chance that would happen now, Marner is a 90+ point man, and Nurse is very good, but not like Marner. Who knows, maybe kappy/johnsson are just what they are and Bear becomes a 1D, or maybe kappy becomes a 30G, 70P man, and Bear stays top 5. Nobody can project the future perfectly.
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You've made a bunch of mistakes in your assumptions here.

- Johnsson likely wouldn't be a top-6 player in Edmonton. Their top wingers are Nugent-Hopkins, Yamamoto, Athanasiou and Kassian. Johnsson isn't better than any of these players.
- Johnsson wouldn't make the PP or the PK on the Oilers, and Engvall isn't needed on the PK. The Oilers have the #1 PP in the league (actually, the best PP since the 1970's) and the #2 PK in the league.
- You call Bear a "2nd pair RD" while (a) failing to acknowledge he played 1st pair all season long as a 22-year-old rookie and (b) placing him on the 1st pair on you Leafs roster.
- The Oilers don't need to move Larsson or Bear to make room for Bouchard, that's not how good teams operate. Bouchard needs to win a spot, and secondly he'll likely start on the 3rd pairing like Sergachev in Tampa.
- Engvall is not a center.

So your proposal is a 3rd line winger + a 4th line winger for a 1st pairing RHD + a 3rd round pick. As I said, not even close.

"Kassian as seen the moment he was moved from McDavid's wing, is a bottom 6 player when not with top tier talent." Took this quote directly from Leaf Storm. This is exactly the same as Johnsson. His one year he got 20 goals he was playing with elite talent. This year when bumped down to 3rd line showed he is a 3rd line player, he cannot drive the offense he needs elite talent around him. So now you you have 2 players, one of them a big, healthy, rugged winger who can stand up to the banging of the western conference and brings a physicality to the team, and one of them, a 5 ft 10 injured winger, who cost 200 k more on the cap. Pretty obvious who is preferred player between the 2.

His one year with elite talent he got 20 goals.... he started that season on the 4th line and as a healthy scratch. He worked his way into the top 6. This season he either played with tavares or with kerfoot, but mainly he was simply injured. Concussions linger, and then when he finally looked like he was out of it, freak knee injury. This season was hell for a lot of leafs with injuries, but 20 goals is about his floor when healthy. Also, the "heavy West" is pretty antiquated. LAK, ANA, SJ, CHI, none of those teams are heavy anymore. Even the so-called heavy teams like Boston aren't heavy anymore. Toronto is actually one of the tallest and heaviest teams in the NHL, but it's about how you play, and Johnsson agitates people, fights for pucks, and is not one to back from an altercation. He and Kapanen are a rambunctious duo, and you also leave out Engvall, who as I said, he's currently a 3rd liner as a rookie, splitting between W and C, and was a great PKer. You say edmonton doesn't need him, but using him sometimes to wind back McD/Drai's minutes isn't a bad thing.