If the cap were to go down to 80 mil even though it wont MIN CHI CGY trades

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Créé par: Random2152

Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 24 mars 2020

Publié: 24 mars 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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This is just me spitballing a worst case scenario. I did my best to keep team needs into account and not to overvalue players. Overall I don't think this is terrible. To be clear I do not think the cap will go down and that the panic on cap issues is overblown.

EDIT: It appears have mixed up Valimaki and Kylington in terms of upside. Kylington doesn't fill a need for the Leafs so this trade would need to be re-assessed. Please ignore.
On the Calgary trade, I think the Leafs lose as Kappy is a tantalising player who could break out at any minute. I am assuming that CGY still values Valimaki quite highly which is why I valued the trade as such, but as I said before I think CGY wins this overall. Ryan was the backup for JT awhile ago so I assume the Leafs might be willing to re-visit as a bargain contract in a low cap scenario.

MIN need centres and we need low cost wingers. I know they seem to value Greenway quite highly so I added the 2nd just to make sure. I think this is closer to fair than the CGY trade but that is assuming Greenway is all he is hyped to be.

Chicago could use a LW and Johnsson is a good one signed to term. We need to shed salary so we unite the Nylanders (just to piss off the trade Nylander group) and get a pick to make up the difference (and A, Nylander hasn't lived up to the hype and might even benefit from being a Marlie for awhile). In the case that AN needs AHL time Korshkov or Kossila can come up and Engvall moves into the 3RW spot.

The Petan trade is just to get him icetime. Buy low for EDM and a 7th rounder (maybe a 6th) for the Leafs if it works out. Win-win.

I bridged Dermott and Greenway (looked at MIN AGM's for an idea on his contract) to stay compliant. Gave Mik a 3x3 (I think he will come in more expensive than most posters think around here) and bought low on Gagner (he has had decent underlyings this year). Worth a shot. Spezza is on record saying he doesn't care about money and wants to come back.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Greenway, Jordan	2	2 000 000 $
Dermott, Travis	2	2 000 000 $
Mikheyev, Ilya	3	3 000 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Spezza, Jason		1	700 000 $
Gagner, Sam		1	700 000 $

Transactions

TOR

Ryan, Derek (1 562 500 $ retained)
Välimäki, Juuso

CGY

Kapanen, Kasperi
Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (TOR)

TOR

Greenway, Jordan [Droits de RFA]

MIN

Kerfoot, Alexander
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (TOR)

TOR

Nylander, Alexander
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (PIT)

CHI

Johnsson, Andreas

TOR

Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (PIT)

Détails additionnels:

Pick is conditional on Petan playing 41 games or more in 2020-21. If he doesn't the pick turns into a 2021 7th (EDM)

EDM

Petan, Nicolas

Rachats de contrats

Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	80 000 000 $	78 532 282 $	0 $	1 275 000 $	1 467 718 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C UFA - 4	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 4
Mikheyev, Ilya 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 5	Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD UFA - 5
Greenway, Jordan 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Ryan, Derek 1 562 500 $1 562 500 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Nylander, Alexander 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 1
Engvall, Pierre 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Spezza, Jason 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Gagner, Sam 700 000 $700 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 4	Holl, Justin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Dermott, Travis 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Campbell, Jack 1 650 000 $1 650 000 $ G UFA - 2
Sandin, Rasmus 894 167 $894 167 $ DG UFA - 2	Välimäki, Juuso 894 166 $894 166 $ (425 000 $$425K) DG RFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Marincin, Martin 700 000 $700 000 $ DG UFA - 1
Agostino, Kenny 737 500 $737 500 $ AG UFA - 1

24 mars 2020 à 22 h 36

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Treliving wouldn't part with Valimaki for Stone, doubt he'd trade him for Kapanen.

24 mars 2020 à 22 h 37

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Treliving wouldn't part with Valimaki for Stone, doubt he'd trade him for Kapanen.

That was awhile ago. Looking at his usage in AGM's I assumed people had soured on him a touch. If we are moving Kappy we need a Dman back and I doubt Kylington would be that guy so I went a step down.

24 mars 2020 à 22 h 47

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Chicago says No. Nylander hasn't been the best but still has upside. Also if this trade was to happen it would be a third rather than a second.

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24 mars 2020 à 22 h 47

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Wouldn't Valimaki be a step up from Kylington?

24 mars 2020 à 22 h 51

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Wouldn't Valimaki be a step up from Kylington?

Thought it was the other way around no? I might be mixing up my Flames Dmen.
Either way, Kapanen is really good and I honestly think the Flames win the trade as presented, let alone it being fair.

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Chicago says No. Nylander hasn't been the best but still has upside. Also if this trade was to happen it would be a third rather than a second.

Johnsson is heads over tails better than Nylander and a position of need. A late 2nd isn't particularly valuable and is more than fair. This kind of trade I've been talking with Chicago fans for awhile and this seems to be approx value. Don't let Nylander's draft position fool you he isn't that great (and might need some more AHL time).

24 mars 2020 à 22 h 52

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Oh god no from Calgary. Would you trade Sandin + Kerfoot (50% retained) for Mangiapane and a 4th? Thats the equivalent of this offer.

24 mars 2020 à 22 h 53

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Oh god no from Calgary. Would you trade Sandin + Kerfoot (50% retained) for Mangiapane and a 4th? Thats the equivalent of this offer.

No that is not equivalent at all lol.
Sandin>>>Valimaki and Kerfoot (with his contract)>>rental Ryan

24 mars 2020 à 22 h 59

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Thought it was the other way around no? I might be mixing up my Flames Dmen.
Either way, Kapanen is really good and I honestly think the Flames win the trade as presented, let alone it being fair.

Johnsson is heads over tails better than Nylander and a position of need. A late 2nd isn't particularly valuable and is more than fair. This kind of trade I've been talking with Chicago fans for awhile and this seems to be approx value. Don't let Nylander's draft position fool you he isn't that great (and might need some more AHL time).

Kylington only made the team because Valimaki is out, Valimaki is significantly better. This trade is horrid for Calgary, Valimaki has a very similar ceiling to Sandin.

24 mars 2020 à 22 h 59

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Quoting: Random2152

I really like Kapanen, don't think he gets enough respect on this site, not sure if Calgary makes that trade though they could really use Kapanen and have too many dmen, that team is kind of ****ed imo.

24 mars 2020 à 23 h 0

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No that is not equivalent at all lol.
Sandin>>>Valimaki and Kerfoot (with his contract)>>rental Ryan

By what notion do you get Sandin is better? according to prospect rankings Valimaki is listed above him

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24 mars 2020 à 23 h 3

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Kylington only made the team because Valimaki is out, Valimaki is significantly better. This trade is horrid for Calgary, Valimaki has a very similar ceiling to Sandin.

You massively overvalue him. Sandin's potential is #2Dman where his floor is a 2nd pair guy. Valimaki's ceiling is a top 4 option and floor is a 4-5. Not in the same ballpark. Also, remember we are giving up Kapanen here. A rental of Ryan's calibre isn't worth much value wise. The 4th I threw in is to even up the player count, not for value reasons.

24 mars 2020 à 23 h 15

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It is why I think it makes sense in this scenario where the cap goes down (and why I am willing to 'lose' a Kapanen trade). Kappy, like Mangiapane in CGY is in most teams top 6 and is only low because Toronto has insane Forward depth. Kappy screams like a player waiting to break out. If you want that (and it is team needs and such) you need to be willing to give up quality, not just scraps.

You massively overvalue him. Sandin's potential is #2Dman where his floor is a 2nd pair guy. Valimaki's ceiling is a top 4 option and floor is a 4-5. Not in the same ballpark. Also, remember we are giving up Kapanen here. A rental of Ryan's calibre isn't worth much value wise. The 4th I threw in is to even up the player count, not for value reasons.

You must be kidding, do you know anything about Valimaki? He is top line caliber, he is projected to replace Gio on the first line

24 mars 2020 à 23 h 34

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

You must be kidding, do you know anything about Valimaki? He is top line caliber, he is projected to replace Gio on the first line

I doubt that. I will remind you that I've said in this thread that I might be mixing up my flames dman prospects, but I don't think valimaki has that ceiling you are saying he does.

24 mars 2020 à 23 h 54

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I doubt that. I will remind you that I've said in this thread that I might be mixing up my flames dman prospects, but I don't think valimaki has that ceiling you are saying he does.

You must have it backwards then Valimaki has top pairing potential, whereas kylington has #4 potential. His injuries have severely set back his development though. But they are unrelated injuries so there shouldnt be anything like what happened with Ryan Murray
https://dobberprospects.com/player/juuso-valimaki/

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25 mars 2020 à 3 h 47

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Been reading Dobber on Kylington, and honestly not seeing a fit with the Leafs. Might need to re-assess this trade as there isn't anything else from Calgary I would want (need a young top-4 potential Dman for Kappy).

25 mars 2020 à 7 h 26

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I really dislike parting with Greenway, but that is an overpay for him.

25 mars 2020 à 10 h 58

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I really like the green way deal...definite over pay....might also be heavy on his signing by $500,000 but also think you are light on Dermott by same amount so that is a wash....as for Sam Gagner I think I would rather go after Joe Thornton than him....also think signing Mikheyev for 3 years @ 3 million is risky what with the injury he suffered....this could come back to hurt us like it did when we signed Zaitsev....I would rather see that at 1 year @ max $1.5mil......really dunno much about the Calgary trade.

25 mars 2020 à 15 h 17

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I really dislike parting with Greenway, but that is an overpay for him.

I intentionally tried to make the moves like that. Easy to add a bit going to Toronto (or less going back) than it is to go the other way in this site.

What would a fair version of this trade look like?

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