Lemieux won two Cups with Pittsburgh too... does that mean that he should skate up?

You are ignoring facts and just waiving your hands. I comments on specifics and said that replacing Galchenyuk with Athanasiou on the Pens roster doesn't make any real impact on the Pens chances of winning come playoff time. Your rebuttal is that I am insane instead of countering the actual position, because it can not be effectively countered.

Is Detroit bad because of its players, or do its players look bad because they are on Detroit? I'm going with the former.

Good luck tricking some GM into giving a 1st+ for zero-impact Athanasiou.

Which is why I mentioned it as opposed to ignoring the facts like others in this discussion.



Sure, a contender's 1st for Athanasiou and Detroit's 2nd could go down in a heartbeat. Ex: #25 for Athanasiou and #32. Done without pause. A 1st for Athanasiou straight, no.

https://theathletic.com/1560427/2020/01/28/who-says-no-nhl-executives-evaluate-your-trade-proposals/

From this article:
"I don’t think they’d have a big issue getting rid of Athanasiou but they can get a first-rounder at the deadline for Athanasiou with a year left in RFA."

You sound like you don't have a great handle on RFA/UFA and how much that impacts player value.

BTW - don’t be surprised if you start hearing Backes/1st/prospect rumors for Kase. ?

lol...you're ignoring the fact that AA is a significantly better player than Gal and that the Wings would never trade AA for a meaningless pick and a UFA...both of the AA trades proposed in this thread are asinine, but your rebuttal with a 4th is hilarious. AA is worth a 1st round pick, at the very least.

U think??
Who the hell knows anymore lol

Not saying it will happen. But there has been some tire kicking.

I was hoping he’d retire for everyone’s sake Including his own.

Agreed, check out my post man, It wasnt a shot at you, it was more a discussion to try to best solve the issue

The whole point of Hags on the penguins was to play defense for those players who didn't! He was never really there to play offense but when what little they got out of him dried up that was it he was moved out. How in the hell are you guys trying to compare AA to Hags. They aren't even remotely the same kind of player, and never will be.



No he's not even remotely the same kind of player as Hags. Not even close.
Hags is a defensive forward who pressures team with his speed...at least he use to till he started slowing down.
AA plays no defense at all and is suppose to be an offensive threat.
There isn't any kind of comparable there. And anyone who actually watches hockey knows this!

On wow, a glorified blogger said so so it must be true... Who doesn't have a handle on what?

No, Athanasiou is not "significantly better" than Galchenyuk. I laid out the comparison and literally the only thing Athanasiou has over Galchenyuk is RFA vs UFA. You, again, are just waiving your hands around in the air and making noise, paying zero attention to the reality of the situation, spewing your opinion as if it was facts. Offensive numbers, defensive numbers, etc etc etc... point to Galchenyuk over Athanasiou. Oh... or do you think that "significantly better" actually mans "not significantly better in any aspect of the game on the ice"?

You don't know what you're talking about if you think Gal is a better player than AA, end of story. You're looking at numbers that are dependent on the team they play for. It's not even close.

If AA is either moved for a legit prospect or 1st round pick, then you'll figure it out. And when he's not moved it's because that wasnt offered.....4th round pick lol

I didn't suggest a trade of a 4th for Athanasiou, you really can't get any facts straight can you.

Also, I mentioned that Detroit is bad because of the players it relies on, the players don't look bad because they are in Detroit. But again, you've ignored literally everything that I have said opting for this ice-cream that you are throwing back at me.

I hope some fool GM gives your team a 1st for a 3rd line one dimensional RFA... The Wings need to eject as many of their current roster as they can and bring in all the help that they can get.

You clearly don't watch must Red Wings hockey, so you prob shouldn't comment on the team or its players. Suggesting a 4th and a UFA for AA (my bad) is also asinine, and makes no sense for either team, especially Detroit.

"The Wings need to eject as many of their current roster as they can and bring in all the help that they can get".... ya thanks for Galchenyuk and a 4th.....lol

They way you dodge what is actually being said makes me smile. Solid strawman game. Sad... but solid.

This is going to be my last message on the matter, because this is nonsense. Aside from differing opinions on Gal and AA, the trade you are proposing makes no sense because:
1. AA is being traded for a controllable asset, most likely on Defense
2. AA is not being traded for a mediocre UFA that they will lose in 3 weeks for nothing
3. AA is not being traded for a meaningless 4th round pick that will probably never turn into an NHL player

So let's forget the fact that AA does everything on the ice better than Gal except for backcheck, and let's dismiss the fact that AA is playing on one of the worst teams in NHL history, AND let's forget that multiple sources claim AA is worth at least a 1st round pick (obviously). Your trade still makes absolutely no sense and is in no way even close to a win for for Det.

It was an NHL executive being quoted, bud. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

Good. But, I bet it's not.



Yeah, I'm not the one that suggested the Galchenyuk for Athanasiou swap to begin with. So again, you really need to start paying attention to the facts.



But as I laid out, he doesn't. You are confusing facts and opinions again.



Is that because it relys on players like Athanasiou? oooooohhhhh...



Hmmm... where did I suggest that Galchenyuk and a 4th for Athanasiou was a win for Detroit? Go ahead, move the target again.

backes wont take a first to move. not necessary. especially in a deal for ANOTHER 4th liner. we have plenty of those. keep your 4th liner.

I don't have a The Athletic subscription so i don't know what was linked. Was it an "unnamed" Exec? So it could be the guy in charge of housekeeping at the Hall of Fame? VP in charge of media relations for Mystery NHL Team Gamma? Got you to click on their "article" though, right?

Haha keep grasping at straws. The Athletic is a top sports website and wouldn't include it if it wasn't legit. I come up with an actual NHL source that believes he's worth a first-round pick and all you can do is lamely suggest that because the person isn't named they don't actually matter; when anybody could realize that the name can't be released because it's almost the Trade Deadline and they'd be tipping their hand. You're a pretty narrow-minded person when it comes to asset management from a hockey perspective, continue to live in delusion

I basically used that in this very AGM. You folks are so original.

His name can't be released because IF there were as many leaks in NHL team front offices everyone would be fired. Insider information is bullpoo. But the sheep keep clicking...

Haha dude I just looked at your AGM teams, and this makes a lot more sense now. Your Pittsburgh bias is ridiculous, I can't tell if your teams are supposed to be jokes or not

Yeah, because trading Galchenyuk, Bjugstad, Johnson for Ovechkin, Carlson, Kuznetsov all at 50% retention is serious. Maybe your inability to tell that explains your inability to grasp rumor mongers, click bait artists, and why a non-physical, non-defensive forward that is being out scored/60 by bad year flunky Galchenyuk isn't worth a 1st.

Funny thing is... sure there was a link to a blogger, uh, writer who says that an un-named NHL executive (penalty box guy?) said that Athanasiou is worth a 1st, or could get it , or could steal one from a desperate fool, or whatever it says... but no one in this discussion has posted any reasons as to why. No comments on his great Athanasiou's this or that is, or how he is good at the other thing, or why his whatever works well for the team. Nothing actually supporting the "Athanasiou is worth it" position. (Did that set off a light bulb so now you are going to try it? Do I actually have to control both sides of this debate?) Nothing. just name calling and fist shaking.