Kapanen will not make the Canes move on Pesce.

ah damn. thought they might just cuz of depth at RHD but idk how highly they value him. hes a hell of a player.

Half the trades I like, half the trades I hate.

Half the trades are underpayments, half the trades are overpayments.

I said in the descriptions the values wouldnt always be totally accurate. more focused on specific players and would love to hear from the commenters what they thought fair trades would be

That Vancouver trade is so bad for the Leafs. The difference between Ceci and Tanev is minimal and you think it cost the Leafs Kapanen and Liljegren. Why do the Leafs (or any team) want Subban even at 4.5? Especially is you have to give assets to give him. Nonsense that Pietgrangelo is waiving and even asked to waive his NMC mid season.
But really a lot of Dmen really don't help the Leafs the defence, at least minimally but certainly cost the Leafs dearly a the expense of Kapanen and some of the futures posted in the trade.

Kapanen gets you neither Pesce nor Manson, More then likely take Nylander to get either one.

- Pesce: Why you think Pesce and Manson's value is so different? Or do you simply value Liljegren + 2nd ~= Bracco somehow? With age and contract status I'd say Pesce gets the leg up there.
- Hjalmarsson: Cap doesn't work, and trading a 23 year old for a 32 year old isn't the way to go, he's on the decline now and would prevent us from retaining a guy like Barrie or extending Dermott to a long-term extension
- Risto: I don't like a lost of Risto's advanced metrics, but 50% retention for 3 years is unrealistic for a guy who is still probably a #4 at the end of the day. Value is maybe fairish, but that retention ain't happening.
- Hamonic: Your reasoning behind the trade value is the precise reason the teams don't do it. Leafs aren't trading a younger player who is an important member of their team for an older rental, and the Flames aren't just going to give you a random 2nd to get the trade done when they need Hamonic themselves.
- Pesce: As I said, value is of, if anything this is the trade where say Kap+Lilj+2nd might get it done and might make some sense. I don't like losing Liljegren but Pesce would be a fantastic add.
- Seabrook/Murphy: This trade is just wild, going to need reasoning behind how this trade got built up to piece it together.
- Murray: A young Tanev I guess, value is reasonable...can't afford to have a guy on defence missing that number of games though.
- Larsson: He's been attrocious this year, hardly the time to buy high.
- Weegar: didn't really recognize the name, but after looking at this stats I pull that trigger. He's having a bit of a breakout season though so Toronto probably has to add something and Florida probably has to be a bit high on Kapanen.
- Subban: Subban($4.5M retained) for Kap 1-for-1 is not a gamble I like the idea of to start with, nevermind adding a 1st and Bracco. Subban was great, then he was good, and this year he is bad. He's 30, lets not pretend he can't have fallen off. He might get a bit better but Jesus, I'm not gonna be the one to want to take that gamble.
- Deangelo: Similar to Weegar, bigger breakout
- DeMelo: Dude's a UFA, pick him up in free agency for for a mid-late round pick if you want to gamble on him.
- Myers: How you can have 1-for-1s with guys like DeMelo and Myers in the same post astounds me. If I recall correctly Myers was one of those weird signings inbetween drafts that you can do if you want to take a gamble with your SPC slots, and quite frankly that guy was a genius. 6'5 RHD having a breakout season at 22. Kapanen won't get it done, they'll ask for Nylander.
- Pietrangelo: trading the farm for a rental isn't a good idea, neither in my book is signing the contract that Petro likely wants. Pass, let Liljegren do the thing. Blues need him for their run anyways.
- Tanev: Looks like he's doing well this season, which means his season-ending injury is on the horizon. But Virtanen is an interesting piece and seems to be reinventing himself so the trade could work in theory.

Make an isles one as they could be potential suitors

For the STL trade: take out Petro, then take out all the TOR players and picks = perfect.

That is just wrong on every level. Pesce is worth more then Kapanen yes but not nearly worth Nylander. Manson isn't worth either and is currently the most overrated player on this site. He's had 1 good year and been not very good two years in a row. He was benefiting from terrific partners in Anahiem but now that the whole team is struggling, he looks like what he actually is which is a good depth guy but likely just a 2nd pair guy who can support a very good partner and play top pair minutes. By himself he's not much of anything.

great response maybe next time try to be more of a dick

Maybe next time try to be less delusional about the same tired nonsense that has been posted here 143 times already.

imagine getting mad at capfriendly posts

Where do you see me getting mad? I'm amused. Your friend, on the other hand, is hurling invectives at me for giving him what he asked for: advice on a fair Petro-to-TML trade. It's not happening, end of story. Sorry if the truth isn't palatable. It is what it is.

i see you getting mad in the post above.

Yeah we'll see, It was already rumored before that the asking price for Pesce was Nylander. And Manson is one of Anaheims young top Dmen take far more then a Kapanen+Bracco to get him that's for sure.

Except you don't. You just see what you want to see. Like Petro and Pesce trades that will never exist.

except i do. please do not be mad. too many mad people on capfriendly. they are just posts, they can't hurt you.

Oh good heavens, you're a Leafs fan. That explains so much. Have a nice day, loopy.

still unexplained why you are mad on capfriendly

When Nylander was without a contract, Carolina called to discuss. The rumour was that Dubas said it starts with Slavin and it didn't go any further. The only rumours of Pesce for Nylander was from fans on this site. Also Manson is 28 and isn't a young of anything. He's had 1 good season and hasn't been overly great the past two seasons. He's nothing special. A good defensive player who does well when surrounded by terrific players.