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Who do you trade to upgrade backup and RHD

Créé par: BigAnderson
Date de création initiale: déc 2, 2019
Publié: 2 déc 2019 à 18 h 35
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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The Leafs have a lot of depth at forward but desperately need an upgrade in goal behind Andersen. Which of Johnsson, Kerfoot, Kapanen, do you think would net biggest/best return paired with Ceci to upgrade our backup goalie and right side defense. I think all 3 are good young players but are ultimately replaceable internally if it means getting stronger elsewhere on the roster. Ceci hasn’t been terrible, but he’s not top pairing material and doesn’t mesh well on the ice with Rielly. He’s better suited playing safer minutes and not against teams top lines (unless you’re a team in tank mode)
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2 déc 2019 à 18 h 37
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Jake Muzzin for Brendan Guhle and a second
2 déc 2019 à 18 h 37
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No one.
2 déc 2019 à 18 h 38
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As a Hawks fan I’d be willing to part with Crawford or Lehner for Johnson or Kapanen. Hawks would have to retain 50% to make cap work for both. Hawks get to infuse some youth and speed while Toronto gets a championship winning goalie as rental for playoffs. Also a chance to resign him or trade him in June since you’ll hold UFA rights.
2 déc 2019 à 18 h 42
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Quoting: Jamiepo
No one.


Hutch is not getting it done. A move has to be made
2 déc 2019 à 18 h 46
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Quoting: Jco5ta5
As a Hawks fan I’d be willing to part with Crawford or Lehner for Johnson or Kapanen. Hawks would have to retain 50% to make cap work for both. Hawks get to infuse some youth and speed while Toronto gets a championship winning goalie as rental for playoffs. Also a chance to resign him or trade him in June since you’ll hold UFA rights.

Johnsson for Lehner I’d jump at. I’d probably trade Kappy for him too but I’d be less happy about it.
2 déc 2019 à 18 h 50
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This trade Ceci at any cost is silly. He certainly hasn't been the Leafs worse RHD. I felt sorry for Ceci for most of season. He was paired with the very irresponsible defensively Reilly. Reilly gets points on the PP and even strength but is liability to the Leafs when the Leafs don't have possession. But of course folks look at the Reilly and his points and Reilly is the teflon man....no criticism allowed.
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2 déc 2019 à 18 h 52
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Picks is all this team has to really trade.
I doubt they break up the forward group. They need their defensive prospects because they are so thin there and will be looking for 5 bodies in the off season.
Their forward prospect group kind of sucks.
So That's what they have to trade. Picks. Only way they move a forward is for cap space.
There is defensive help out there.
Brodie, Moore and Miller from Boston (not that they would help you but it's good they are on the market) if the penguins are out (most likely) Schultz.
You can get help defensively. But the problem is TOR won't be the only team looking. WPG is most likely going to go after someone to help their defense.

They will need to find a backup as well. I'm just going to be honest. A team see's they have no decent backup. The first thing they are going to do is run the goalie.
If that's all it takes to get to the cup, someone will do it.
I could easily see Tom Wilson plow into Anderson and laugh his ass off on the way to the dressing room. Would not surprise me at all if that is all that it took for him to help the caps to play for a cup.
No doubt boston would do it too. Hell you are talking about a team who went out to Knee on Knee guys last year. You go into games with that backup, you are getting torched.
Playoff hockey is one rough goonish event.
2 déc 2019 à 18 h 56
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Johnsson should be on the block
2 déc 2019 à 19 h 03
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Those guys will net you a back up goalie for sure, I don’t think it will get you a huge upgrade on D though.
2 déc 2019 à 19 h 05
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Quoting: palhal
This trade Ceci at any cost is silly. He certainly hasn't been the Leafs worse RHD. I felt sorry for Ceci for most of season. He was paired with the very irresponsible defensively Reilly. Reilly gets points on the PP and even strength but is liability to the Leafs when the Leafs don't have possession. But of course folks look at the Reilly and his points and Reilly is the teflon man....no criticism allowed.

I don’t think I said trade him at all costs. He’s simply not top pair material and by default it seemed he was put there by Babcock and left there when Keefe took over. Ceci plays a similar game to Rielly just not as well. It’s why they don’t work together. They both like to take chances to make a break out defensively or pinch heavily in the offensive zone. He’d probably look a lot better paired with Muzzin who’d be more willing and able to cover up his mistakes. I don’t know if Holl is quite ready for top pair minutes and responsibility but I’d like someone more like him with Rielly because he doesn’t flash one way or the other. He just makes simple safe plays and that’s who you want with a run’n’gun type D man like Rielly. That’s my thoughts on Ceci anyway. He’s not bad, his style just doesn’t mesh with what Toronto needs from him, and at 4.5 he’s an obvious candidate to move to get below the cap
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2 déc 2019 à 19 h 10
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Those guys will net you a back up goalie for sure, I don’t think it will get you a huge upgrade on D though.

Thing is I don’t think we need a huge upgrade on D. Just a changing of style on at least one player back there. Need another guy that plays like Holl but more seasoned in playing other teams top lines
2 déc 2019 à 19 h 33
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Quoting: BigAnderson
Hutch is not getting it done. A move has to be made


That doesn’t mean you trade roster players...
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2 déc 2019 à 19 h 41
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Quoting: Jamiepo
That doesn’t mean you trade roster players...


I wouldn't move anyone from the Leafs top-9 forward pool for a backup and I don't think you have to. These calls for sending one of our better wingers in Johnsson and Kapanen who are on good deals with term to Chicago for Lehner or Crawford who both have zero term are ridiculous.
2 déc 2019 à 19 h 44
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Quoting: Jamiepo
That doesn’t mean you trade roster players...


When you’re in a cap crunch and none of them would be considered core pieces you do. They’re more valuable as trade chips. Only saying move one of the forwards not all 3
2 déc 2019 à 19 h 50
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A mid-tier prospect could net a reasonable backup.

Toronto is best to wait until Keefe's got at least 15-20 in with the team to see how the defense stacks up with his method vs babcocks. They've been +7 in GD since he took over compared to the -6 Babcock left at, and their xGA/60 is 6th best in the league since then. If they end up moving Ceci I think they should be looking for a top 4 capable replacement, preferable someone that would pair with Rielly. If they do make a trade, I think only one of the their 3M guys should be moved (Johnsson, Kap, Kerfoot) if need be.
2 déc 2019 à 19 h 57
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Quoting: BigAnderson
When you’re in a cap crunch and none of them would be considered core pieces you do. They’re more valuable as trade chips. Only saying move one of the forwards not all 3


Let’s sit back and see what happens. If I were betting my money would be on picks and prospects.
2 déc 2019 à 20 h 16
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Quoting: BigAnderson
Johnsson for Lehner I’d jump at. I’d probably trade Kappy for him too but I’d be less happy about it.


I’d probably want Kapanen if I was the Hawks.
2 déc 2019 à 20 h 19
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Let’s sit back and see what happens. If I were betting my money would be on picks and prospects.

Dubas has been on record number of times now saying he doesn’t want to move any more picks right now. Our high end prospect pool is getting pretty thin and I wouldn’t move Liljegren, Sandin, or Korshkov at all. Comparatively speaking, Johnsson at 3.4 is proven top 6 possibly to drop to our 3rd line. He’s more valuable to a team needing too 6 help if his minutes end up going down to 13/14 a night. I’d rather lose Johnsson for help else where than Timashov for nothing
2 déc 2019 à 20 h 23
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Quoting: BigAnderson
Dubas has been on record number of times now saying he doesn’t want to move any more picks right now. Our high end prospect pool is getting pretty thin and I wouldn’t move Liljegren, Sandin, or Korshkov at all. Comparatively speaking, Johnsson at 3.4 is proven top 6 possibly to drop to our 3rd line. He’s more valuable to a team needing too 6 help if his minutes end up going down to 13/14 a night. I’d rather lose Johnsson for help else where than Timashov for nothing


So prospect pool is weak... move Johnsson and move up prospects? Fail to see the logic there. Moving Johnsson for a backup goalie would be dumb. If you acquire an rhd you need to move ceci. Would need to be a firm upgrade.
2 déc 2019 à 20 h 23
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Quoting: Jco5ta5
I’d probably want Kapanen if I was the Hawks.


If it’s Kapp, then it has to be Lehner and they have to retain half. He not untouchable but he’d be the one I’d want to see moved the least
2 déc 2019 à 20 h 31
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Quoting: Jamiepo
So prospect pool is weak... move Johnsson and move up prospects? Fail to see the logic there. Moving Johnsson for a backup goalie would be dumb. If you acquire an rhd you need to move ceci. Would need to be a firm upgrade.

You’re not bringing up a prospect. If you move Johnsson out, either Kerfoot or Moore could play third line LW and it still be a really good third line
2 déc 2019 à 20 h 40
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Quoting: BigAnderson
If it’s Kapp, then it has to be Lehner and they have to retain half. He not untouchable but he’d be the one I’d want to see moved the least


There’s no doubt that Lehner is the better goalie but does Crawford’s track record make him the better candidate? Lehner has 10 playoff games played. Crawford has more playoff series wins than that. Plus 2 Stanley Cups and was on the practice squad during the 2010 run.
2 déc 2019 à 20 h 41
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Quoting: BigAnderson
You’re not bringing up a prospect. If you move Johnsson out, either Kerfoot or Moore could play third line LW and it still be a really good third line


Lol... no that’s not how it works. Johnsson is 1lw. That means when he goes everyone in the depth chart takes a step up.

I’m not against moving Johnsson, for the right return.
2 déc 2019 à 20 h 53
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Lol... no that’s not how it works. Johnsson is 1lw. That means when he goes everyone in the depth chart takes a step up.

I’m not against moving Johnsson, for the right return.


He goes behind Mikheyev and Hyman when Marner comes back. That puts him at 3LW. Move him out, you can either put Moore back there, or move Kerfoot over and line Spezza up at the 3C. Which is what Keefe did before Kerfoot’s suspension. The idea is to improve your team where it’s weakest by using what you have a surplus of. Leafs have a large surplus of undersized, gritty players who can score. What they don’t have is a back up goalie that lets in less than 4 goals a game
2 déc 2019 à 21 h 03
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Quoting: BigAnderson
He goes behind Mikheyev and Hyman when Marner comes back. That puts him at 3LW. Move him out, you can either put Moore back there, or move Kerfoot over and line Spezza up at the 3C. Which is what Keefe did before Kerfoot’s suspension. The idea is to improve your team where it’s weakest by using what you have a surplus of. Leafs have a large surplus of undersized, gritty players who can score. What they don’t have is a back up goalie that lets in less than 4 goals a game


No... Johnsson is 1 lw... nothing to do with marner. When marner returns Hyman and mikheyev can duel it out for 2 lw.
 
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