Ha Matthews at 11m is still laughable.

Matthews 10mx5
Marner 9x8
Nylander 6-7mX8 (compared to the top 2 he’s on a great deal)

Matthews, Nylander on fair contracts for their value. Marner overpaid by about 1-2 mil. I hate how badly people outside of the leafs fanbase underrate Matthews simply because they hate the leafs and because some leafs fans are stupid enough to compare him to mcD. he's unreal, top 5 center, best player on the leafs no question

Matthew's is fair contract but they should have gotten term at that number. Nylander is still paid fairly I don't get why people hate that contract. I hate the leafs but come on nylander contract is nice marner is overpaid I think he should of gotten 9.35x8 but of course what do I know

He’s not a top 5 center. He’s terrible defensively and can score goals. Hardly makes him top 5

McDavid
Crosby
MacKinnon
Barkov
bergeron
Tavares

The top are players that are better imo bottom are players he would be more comparable to

Scheifele
Point
Stamkos (I disagree but he’s still a top center)
ROR
Malkin
Aho
Kuzy
Backstrom
Eichel

I think matthews contract just looks bad cause they got 5 years If it was 8 it would be better but I still agree to a slight point I think hes worth 10.85 but really an extra 500k diesnt mean much to me the problem is the term itself

I agree that the leafs should have at least gotten an extra year or two out of Matthews, but nothing angers me more than when people compare the leafs contracts to Bostons, or even draisaitls. completely different situations, their top players happened to blossom after they signed their deals while the leafs best players already had the numbers to command their contracts. Marner I agree was overpaid though. then again he's still a 21 y/o who scored 94 points so he could end up filling those shoes.

he's better than every single center on the bottom. better than Tavares. he's not terrible defensively, don't know if you ever watch games but he's the engine out there. so maybe not quite top 5 right now, but top 6. and by the end of this year, unless he's hurt, even if the team continues to falter around him, he'll put up strong enough numbers to be top 5 no question- just watching games he's been dominant

Ahh to be fair Edmonton paid draisaitl big because he also had 16 pts in 13 games I remember everyone called his contract an overpay now its literal gold so I'm happy with it haha

I agree that’s why I said 10mx5 years. Leafs literally paid him top dollar and got bare minimum term. Bad deal

Should have for sure got 8 years. Just means he wants out right Toronto media ? ??

I’d say he’s more top 10 but I agree he has potential to be a top 5. Guys like Eichel look like they are taking some positive strides. Players I listed are in my top 15-16. Like I said I think Matthews falls more in the top 5-10. Not a shot or disrespect towards him. The nhl is just loaded with a lot of young talent

Point is too high, and Bergy is arguably still just barely top 3 (this year, but next year even as a bruins fan I know he will not be cuz Barkov and Mac are currently overtaking him)...
But no, nobody is "undervaluing Matthews because they hate the leafs". The leafs just want to overvalue everyone on their team.

dear god this is tiring

Mathews is not a top ten center. He is very good but extremely overrated and overpaid. He is benefits from having a better center playing on top line and taking all the tough assignments and matchups. Matthews is a liability in his own end and for anyone to say otherwise look at the stats. The leafs allow the most goals in the nhl. That is with a much improved defense. Wat that shows is the forwards including Matthews show no effort in the defensive zone.

The bottom list was just players that would be 7-15. No order. Would be too hard to rank them. # 1 and 2 are easy #3-6 are hard and 7-20 are even harder ha

nope. I don't overvalue everybody on this team. I'd be the first to tell you that Marner is overpaid and that he's barely a top 10 winger (if he even is). But Matthews is the best maple leaf, and a top 6 center in the league. Prove to me that he's not a top 6-7 center in the league.

In all fairness I said he would fall somewhere in the 7-15 range depending on how you value certain things.

have you watched a single leafs game all year? did you not watch Matthews while Tavares was gone? What makes you think that the struggling defence improved this year other than on paper so far? What 10 centres are better? "for anyone to say otherwise look at the stats", his line literally has insane possession numbers every year 5v5 and show me these stats you talk about. Watching the games, he's fine in his own end. Look at film from the bruins game a couple of nights ago and tell me he can't play D. Good lord this argument is flawed and precisely why I say that people hate Matthews because they hate the leafs. stop making these irrational statements with no proof please

he's 7 at worst but better than Tavares making him 6

matthews is the eighth best center in the nhl

Not up for debate

My proof is that he isn't ever in the conversation with the top 6 lol... I don't even think most people would call Tavares a top 6 guy, especially after what's happening now that he left NYI and how well they are doing without him. So top 5 is set. 6 to 10 im not sure, but the point is that Matthews should have been around 9 million at most, and I think many think Tavares was a slight overpay at 11 also... Im not anti-leafs, I actually enjoy watching Matthews, but Im just being realistic

No brainers
Mcdavid
Mackinnon
Crosby
Bergeon

He is no better then because they play more complete game

Barkov
Schiefele

That will make him seven but.

I would say u could argue

Point is better overall player. Struggling at start but so was whole team

Eichel is playing on worst team and putting up equal point totals and is better defensively.

Malkin proving he can carry a depleted pens team by himself. Can Mathews do that? He can’t carry a stacked leaf team.

Petterson and aho maybe not now but could be and I think petterson is already.

ROR not offensively but shown he is one of the best two way centers and can carry team to a cup.

So I would but him outside the top ten and that has a lot to do with him being a liability in his own end.

He’s not but again it’s my and your opinion so no use in arguing this right?

“ do you enjoy losing arguments on this website or something”

its been like 6 hours, how are you still mad