It’s a good trade

It fits many needs

It does.

Just admit it. The only way Kane wins another cup is to be traded to the penguins for a 4th round pick.

Just admit it, the only reason the penguins have a franchise is because of Lemieux saving the team... two times.

See, the thing about this is that it doesn't fill any needs for the Penguins,

Delia is useless, Beaudin is nice but with Pettersson, POJ, and Riikola, he may not have room in the organization, Shaw isn't as good as Hornqvist, the 20211st would be lovely given that the Hawks would either give up a good pick in 2021 or 2022 no matter what and they'd still probably be a garbage team.

Nice try though. A for effort

Imagine thinking the Blackhawks had fans prior to 2010

no

on the outside it looks good though due to pens valuing JG so highly its unlikely to occur. Being a Hawks fan also I would take that trade.

That’s the point my dude. @PenGoater99 wants to trade scraps for JG but won’t take scraps for Gugentzel.

They weren’t scraps. Just not enough value for jg

ok we need to use names they have the same initials itll just get confusing

No its not. We aren't talking about guentzel

Okay, I just gotta say, the ridiculousness of these statements are fantastic! Not that they don't have some basis of fact of course, but lets break this down.

Hawks not having fans before 2010?! Try 2008, that's a little closer. Having said that, from 1998-2008, yup, we didn't have **** going for us and the fans turned on the disgrace of an owner as opposed to the team itself. I was able to go to nearly 50 games in those 10 years. I still powered through for my hawks. Before 1998, though, no offense Pens fan, but you really don't know anything. Chicago Stadium, night in and night out, the greatest roar in NHL history.

As for Stan's statement, lets put even more emphasis on this. Pens join the league in 1967. They proceed to suck for 17 straight years. I believe they made the playoffs 2-4 times, but did nothing of note. They were on the verge of relocation come 1984. Then, out of nowhere, Le Magnifique (the luckiest 1st overall pick ever) arrives in Pittsburgh to save the franchise. Oh and don't forget, the fans hated this team! Fast forward to 1997. Pens have two cups, Super Mario is a legend that just retired (the first time), and had a host of legends that featured Jagr, Francis, Barrasso, and others. However, **** ownership and free spending ways cause the money to dry up and players to go unpaid. Players are traded, the team tanks, and low and behold, the fans hate this team again and they are on the verge of relocating AGAIN! Then, Super Mario saves the day and buys the team with a consortium behind him. They have a brief resurgence after Mario returns and then promptly fall off a cliff AGAIN! Then, for the second time in their history, the team is saved by the 2nd luckiest 1st overall ever. Sid the kid arrives on the scene, but not without help. Remember, this team sucks after all. They get Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, and Staal in consecutive drafts to form their 2009 Cup backbone. Since then, the fans have luckily remained, but don't suck again, cuz then your probably gone again.

Point I'm trying to make is this: yes, Hawks fans were absent for ten years due to a **** team, **** management, and an owner who hated his own fans. However, for anyone to suggest that the Hawks, an original six franchise, didn't have fans before 2010, that's the sign of complete ignorance. Even if it was a joke, don't think someone wouldn't correct you.

On the flip side, the Penguins, factually and historically, are the LUCKIEST franchise in NHL history. They were up for relocation twice, were gifted the two greatest number one overall picks ever (McDavid will soon join said argument), and don't even try to plead ignorance and say your fans endured through all that, cuz I know they didn't. If nothing else, congrats on being **** at the perfect times! That's a freakin art form and a sign of clairvoyance my friend!!!!

Whenever someone tries to tell me the hawks didn't have fans before 2010 I just ignore them. I know about all of this history of bad ownership and whatnot, so I guess I could form a decent argument (as you have) about the lack of attendance... but I was not around back then so I don't feel it is necessary to defend my fandom from some loser wanting to take a cheap shot. I was young when the hawks first won the cup, and I grew up watching them win. Lately, they haven't done much winning, and the fanbase is still strong. That is enough for my peace of mind.

Well said Stan, I grew up as the transition from Chicago stadium to the UC was happening. So I do remember the pain of 98-07, but boy do I remember when how great it was in the early to mid 90s. So yes, dude has no idea what he’s talking about.