Guentzel Is Better Than Marner

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Équipe: 2019-20 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 19 oct. 2019

Publié: 19 oct. 2019

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I have seen this take get thrown around on social media by a lot of Pens fans and have always wondered if there was any truth to this.

Despite having already scored 26 goals and 50 points in the Stanley Cup playoffs throughout his career, many people have failed to regard Jake Guentzel as an elite player because they want to see him manage that success for an extended period of time.

He responded with a 40 goal season last year, 76 points. This year, he's on pace for 46.
The misconception seems to be that Crosby has carried Guentzel, but the truth is actually that Guentzel makes Crosby better. Honestly, it's not likely that Crosby would be able to play at such a high level at the age of 32 if he didn't have Guentzel on his wing.

Now with the comparison to Marner, it's interesting because they are different types of players who both seem to benefit from playing alongside elite centers. However, Guentzel generates more high danger shots and scores more goals. These areas are much more valuable than what Marner brings. If Guentzel played for the Leafs, he would get 11+ million.

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	60 324 125 $	132 500 $	3 832 500 $	21 175 875 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Guentzel, Jake 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 6	Simon, Dominik 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
McCann, Jared 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Lafferty, Sam 767 500 $767 500 $ (132 500 $$132K) AD, C, AG UFA - 1	Tanev, Brandon 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 6
Kahun, Dominik 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) AG, AD, C UFA - 1	Blueger, Teddy 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Hörnqvist, Patric 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD NTC UFA - 4
Aston-Reese, Zach 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Blandisi, Joseph 700 000 $700 000 $ C UFA - 1	Johnson, Adam 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Dumoulin, Brian 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Letang, Kris 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Murray, Matt 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Pettersson, Marcus 874 125 $874 125 $ DG UFA - 1	Schultz, Justin 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Jarry, Tristan 675 000 $675 000 $ G UFA - 1
Johnson, Jack 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DG UFA - 4	Marino, John 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Riikola, Juuso 850 000 $850 000 $ DG UFA - 1		Rust, Bryan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
Gudbranson, Erik 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DD UFA - 2		Malkin, Evgeni 9 500 000 $9 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3
		Bjugstad, Nick 2 050 000 $2 050 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2
		Galchenyuk, Alex 4 900 000 $4 900 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Hörnqvist, P.		Crosby, S.		Guentzel, J.
	Schultz, J.		Letang, K.

Avantage numérique 2
Kahun, D.		McCann, J.		Simon, D.
	Pettersson, M.		Dumoulin, B.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Blueger, T.	Tanev, B.
	Dumoulin, B.	Letang, K.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Lafferty, S.	Aston-Reese, Z.
	Johnson, J.	Marino, J.

20 oct. 2019 à 0 h 21

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hockeyfanatic05

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Quoting: Gofnut999

Oh no Bruins have plenty of stupid fans. Pretty sure they stole a couple of other franchises dumb ones. They were just to dumb to realize they were cheering for another team.

And no, i understood your post perfectly. You complained about his comparison. He wasn’t trying to make a similar comparison because that is how sarcasm works. Getting bent out of shape over a sarcastic comparison was pointless, laugh and move on. ??‍♂️

Lmao if anyone is bent out of shape, it’s you. Oh and I moved on. I’m pretty sure you’re the one who brought it up for zero reason ?????

20 oct. 2019 à 4 h 23

#27

pharrow

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I could get 11 million from Dubas. Rookie GM been took to the woodshed repeatedly.

20 oct. 2019 à 6 h 37

#28

BuFfaLOFaN

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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05

You clearly dont watch any pens games. Watch them play together and you'll change that opinion. People always say crosby makes all of his wingers, but I dont see too many 40 goal scorers crosby has played with in his career.

I do watch pens games, but I just don't really notice Guentzel as being an elite play maker

20 oct. 2019 à 11 h 50

#29

Dan10900

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Saying Guentzel>Marner is a bottom tier leafs fan take (Matthews is NOT better than McJesus leafs fans, stop trying to argue it)

20 oct. 2019 à 15 h 26

#30

AnalyticsGeek

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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05

Quoting: moli92

both guentzel and marner rely heavily on their centre to drive play for them. check guentzel with and without crosby and marner with and without tavares for the last 2 seasons

http://nhltools.com/Index.php

Guentzel has greater impact on Crosby's success than Marner has for Tavares.

20 oct. 2019 à 15 h 29

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Quoting: pharrow

I could get 11 million from Dubas. Rookie GM been took to the woodshed repeatedly.

But Guentzel actually has leverage to ask for more than Marner, especially if he waited until the end of 2018-19 to sign.

20 oct. 2019 à 15 h 33

#32

AnalyticsGeek

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Quoting: AFOX10900

Saying Guentzel>Marner is a bottom tier leafs fan take (Matthews is NOT better than McJesus leafs fans, stop trying to argue it)

However, Guentzel has better advanced stats than Marner, plus takes more high danger shots and scores more even-strength goals.

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