Gardiner Was More Important To Have Than Marner

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Créé par: deleted_xu3u8sa8d92

Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 6 sept. 2019

Publié: 6 sept. 2019

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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If I had to choose one player to keep on this team between Mitch Marner and Jake Gardiner, I’m taking the defenseman and it’s not even remotely close. Jake is by far the best defenseman on the Maple Leafs, he is superior than both Rielly and Barrie by a landslide. Just look at their advanced stats, possession numbers, amount of zone entries and shot suppressing amount. He’s single handedly carries this dreadful blueline for so many seasons. There’s no one more complete than him on this team in that position and I am so angry that they let him walk for exactly the same cap as last season, just so they can sign Mitch Marner, who is not even worth 6 million dollars on an 8 year deal but overvalues himself at twice his worth! Disgusting.

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RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell		5	12 000 000 $

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	81 500 000 $	72 884 699 $	0 $	0 $	8 615 301 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Johnsson, Andreas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	Matthews, Auston 11 634 000 $11 634 000 $ C UFA - 5	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 5
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 6	Åberg, Pontus 700 000 $700 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Mikheyev, Ilya 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 4	Kapanen, Kasperi 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 3
Petan, Nicolas 775 000 $775 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 2		Moore, Trevor 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
	Spezza, Jason 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD NTC UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Gardiner, Jake 4 050 000 $4 050 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Barrie, Tyson 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Hutchinson, Michael 700 000 $700 000 $ G UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis 863 333 $863 333 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Marincin, Martin 700 000 $700 000 $ DG UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Shore, Nick 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 1		Clarkson, David 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Schmaltz, Jordan 700 000 $700 000 $ DD UFA - 1		Horton, Nathan 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Gauthier, Frédérik 675 000 $675 000 $ C UFA - 1		Ceci, Cody 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Holl, Justin 675 000 $675 000 $ DD UFA - 1

6 sept. 2019 à 19 h 32

Shifttee

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Canes decline

6 sept. 2019 à 19 h 39

justaBoss

What in tarnation

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I'd say a Leafs fan gets weird when they're so insistent on making the Leafs much worse than they currently are...

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6 sept. 2019 à 19 h 42

TheresAlwaysNextYear

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What?

6 sept. 2019 à 19 h 56

SpaghettiPasta

i hope ur hungry now

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You on crack bud?

6 sept. 2019 à 19 h 57

SpaghettiPasta

i hope ur hungry now

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Is this satire?

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6 sept. 2019 à 19 h 59

rangersandislesfan

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Sorry, what? Gardiner is good but nowhere near as good as Marner IMO. I wouldn't say he's as good a d-man as Rielly ... Rielly is a top 20 d-man in the league IMO ... Gardiner is a 2nd pairing d-man IMO.

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6 sept. 2019 à 20 h 9

SpaghettiPasta

i hope ur hungry now

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

That's not an opinion. That's a fact.

6 sept. 2019 à 21 h 38

draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

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ok right.....Keller signs for 7.1 million for 8 years and you peg Marner's worth at a 8 year deal as far less. Please inform Sauron to call back his Trolls.

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6 sept. 2019 à 21 h 41

rangersandislesfan

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Yes, every player in the NHL is overpaid, but by NHL contract value, how is Mitch Marner not worth 6M?????? He just got 94 points.

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6 sept. 2019 à 21 h 44

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Eli

Who adds what?

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Gardiner does have some decent numbers, but Leafs fans have literally been discussing this cap crunch all summer, and nobody mentioned the possibility that he was more valuable than Marner, yet.

Even if he's better this year, at 29, he's not likely to improve anymore. At 22, Marner might keep getting better, which should, as tough as this might be to imagine, make him more valuable than Jake Gardiner.

6 sept. 2019 à 21 h 47

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habs_fan123

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and petrys more valuable than domi

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6 sept. 2019 à 21 h 52

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6 sept. 2019 à 22 h 9

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Capitalfail67

Caps fan idk why

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Quoting: BurgerBoss

I'd say a Leafs fan gets weird when they're so insistent on making the Leafs much worse than they currently are...

You think....obviously hypothetical... that if the roles were reversed

Marner just signed a 11.5 m ish contract mid season like Matthews and Matthews was holding out right nOw the leaf fans would be roasting him or would they be more understanding? Jw bc marner is about equal to Matthews and obviously isn’t worth 2.5 million less than him in any world.

The amount of disrespect I see on her for him is crazy. He is slightly less productive than Matthews year 1-3 and was more productive year 3. People praise Matthews like some sort of Mc Jesus but want to view marner like some sort of nylander..... dude broke 90 points name a guy on the current roster to ever do that ?

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6 sept. 2019 à 22 h 20

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justaBoss

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Quoting: Capitalfail67

If the situation were reversed, most of Leafs fans would most likely be wailing about how stupid Dubas was to sign Marner by that much. Because "Matthews's advanced statistics are better" and "Marner succeeds only because Tavares carries him."

Personally I think Marner is a TOP15 winger of the league. Does he deserve Matthews money? Probably not, but I don't see $10M being too much at all, regardless the term of the deal.

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6 sept. 2019 à 22 h 32

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Capitalfail67

Caps fan idk why

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Quoting: BurgerBoss

Matthews doesn’t deserve Matthews money. He’s worth 9.5 tops. Compare him to stamkos year 1-3 and what % of that cap they both took

6 sept. 2019 à 22 h 36

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justaBoss

What in tarnation

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Quoting: Capitalfail67

Matthews doesn’t deserve Matthews money. He’s worth 9.5 tops. Compare him to stamkos year 1-3 and what % of that cap they both took

Personally I have no issues with the Matthews deal, his abilities are good enough to make him TOP10, possibly even TOP5 C in the league. I think his contract is fair enough.

Stamkos' deal is too cheap if you ask me, but they had a great GM back then.

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6 sept. 2019 à 23 h 11

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deleted_xu3u8sa8d92

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

LMAO you can’t compare a forward to a defenseman. Generally, a defenseman is more valuable, especially in this case, since Marner is extremely overrated.

6 sept. 2019 à 23 h 13

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deleted_xu3u8sa8d92

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

ok right.....Keller signs for 7.1 million for 8 years and you peg Marner's worth at a 8 year deal as far less. Please inform Sauron to call back his Trolls.

Quoting: SpaghettiPasta

That's not an opinion. That's a fact.

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Yes, every player in the NHL is overpaid, but by NHL contract value, how is Mitch Marner not worth 6M?????? He just got 94 points.

Quoting: Eli

If you actually watched Marner play you’d realize he was absolutely useless all season! The dude got carried by Tavares for a full season and couldn’t do anything when it mattered in the playoffs. His advanced stats are pathetic, 39% possession metrics and minimal impact on linemates! How is he good?

6 sept. 2019 à 23 h 15

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deleted_xu3u8sa8d92

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Quoting: mondo

STOP SENDING THAT! WHAT DOES IT EVEN MEAN?

6 sept. 2019 à 23 h 16

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deleted_xu3u8sa8d92

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Quoting: Capitalfail67

Quoting: BurgerBoss

The truth is, Matthews is better than McDavid and Nylander is better than Marner. The advanced stats never lie. Sorry your feelings are hurt.

6 sept. 2019 à 23 h 33

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draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

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Raise your hand if you are gonna put @RahefIssaLeafsHockey on ignore, where the troll belongs.

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6 sept. 2019 à 23 h 35

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justaBoss

What in tarnation

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

Raise your hand if you are gonna put @RahefIssaLeafsHockey on ignore, where the troll belongs.

I don't know, I find their complete ignorance quite...amusing.

They set a nice bar between oblivious fools and complete trolls.

6 sept. 2019 à 23 h 37

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justaBoss

What in tarnation

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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey

The truth is, Matthews is better than McDavid and Nylander is better than Marner. The advanced stats never lie. Sorry your feelings are hurt.

The only truth is that both McDavid and Marner scored 40 points more than their respective comparables...

7 sept. 2019 à 0 h 22

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Capitalfail67

Caps fan idk why

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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey

The truth is, Matthews is better than McDavid and Nylander is better than Marner. The advanced stats never lie. Sorry your feelings are hurt.

Haha yeah. Matthews is a poor man stamkos

7 sept. 2019 à 7 h 20

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rangersandislesfan

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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey

94 points is useless? Nylander wasn't useless but he was more useless than Marner. JT wouldn't have scored as many goals as he did without Marner.

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