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Trading for every first round pick

Créé par: capfriendlyaccount
Équipe: 2019-20 Jets de Winnipeg
Date de création initiale: 30 août 2019
Publié: 31 août 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Assume that Anaheim has 1st overall, Arizona has pick 2, and so on.
Also assume all NMC/NTC's are voided.
How did I do?
Transactions
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WPG
  1. Kesler, Ryan
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (ANA)
ANA
  1. Scheifele, Mark
  2. Stanley, Logan
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (WPG)
2.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (ARI)
ARI
  1. Laine, Patrik [Droits de RFA]
3.
WPG
  1. Backes, David
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BOS)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (BOS)
4.
WPG
  1. Okposo, Kyle
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BUF)
BUF
  1. Little, Bryan
  2. Roslovic, Jack
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (BOS)
5.
WPG
  1. Andersson, Rasmus
  2. Lucic, Milan
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
6.
WPG
  1. Reimer, James
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CAR)
CAR
  1. Ehlers, Nikolaj
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
7.
WPG
  1. Mitchell, Ian [Liste de réserve]
  2. Seabrook, Brent
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CHI)
8.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (COL)
9.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CBJ)
10.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (DAL)
DAL
  1. Appleton, Mason
  2. Vesalainen, Kristian
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (WPG)
11.
12.
WPG
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. Russell, Kris
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
13.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (FLA)
FLA
  1. Brossoit, Laurent
  2. Niku, Sami
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (WPG)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (WPG)
14.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (LAK)
15.
WPG
  1. Rask, Victor
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (MIN)
16.
WPG
  1. Alzner, Karl
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MTL)
MTL
  1. Harkins, Jansen
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (MIN)
17.
WPG
  1. Turris, Kyle
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (NSH)
18.
WPG
  1. Schneider, Cory
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Berdin, Mikhail
  2. McKenzie, Skyler
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (WPG)
19.
WPG
  1. Aho, Sebastian
  2. Boychuk, Johnny
  3. Ladd, Andrew
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (NYI)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (NYI)
  6. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NYI)
20.
WPG
  1. Smith, Brendan
  2. Staal, Marc
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (NYR)
21.
WPG
  1. Ryan, Bobby
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (OTT)
OTT
  1. Backes, David
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NYI)
22.
WPG
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  2. Ratcliffe, Isaac
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (PHI)
PHI
  1. Connor, Kyle [Droits de RFA]
23.
WPG
  1. Johnson, Jack
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
24.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (SJS)
OTT
  1. Aho, Sebastian
  2. Comrie, Eric [Droits de RFA]
  3. Ratcliffe, Isaac
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (NYI)
25.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (STL)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (STL)
STL
  1. Samberg, Dylan [Liste de réserve]
26.
WPG
  1. Killorn, Alex
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TBL)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (VAN)
27.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
CAR
  1. Gawanke, Leon
  2. Killorn, Alex (2 225 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (STL)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (WPG)
28.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (VGK)
VGK
  1. Kovacevic, Johnathan
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (WPG)
29.
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (WSH)
WSH
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (WPG)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (WPG)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
1381 500 000 $81 200 000 $0 $0 $300 000 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Islanders de New York
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 4
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Islanders de New York
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
Logo de Rangers de New York
5 700 000 $5 700 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
4 333 333 $4 333 333 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
700 000 $700 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1

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31 août 2019 à 14 h 18
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I mean that’s one way to build through the draft ?
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I mean that’s one way to build through the draft ?


Yeah except I have no firsts the next two years afterwards!
Is the value pretty good?
31 août 2019 à 14 h 40
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The value is off on the Detroit deal is off in my opinion but might work next season. Detroit isn't going to be good this season and they know it so do the fans so realistically no reason for Detroit to move them this season. Now next season with prospects getting ready to make the jump moving those guys out will be more urgent.
31 août 2019 à 14 h 47
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Yeah except I have no firsts the next two years afterwards!
Is the value pretty good?


Most deal values are off. For example, JoMo is worth at least 2 firsts
31 août 2019 à 14 h 48
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Philly is giving up too much if you ask me.
31 août 2019 à 14 h 52
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Quoting: aedoran
The value is off on the Detroit deal is off in my opinion but might work next season. Detroit isn't going to be good this season and they know it so do the fans so realistically no reason for Detroit to move them this season. Now next season with prospects getting ready to make the jump moving those guys out will be more urgent.


These deals would all be done after the draft lottery and either before or at the draft, so that would align with your time frame.
And how far off? What would be added?
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Most deal values are off. For example, JoMo is worth at least 2 firsts


Well at least he's getting pick ten. I thought about adding something but I didn't want to look biased and if I changed it now it would mess up the alphabetical order of the teams.
You think we lose most trades though? Or is the Morrisey example an outlier?
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Philly is giving up too much if you ask me.


I mean it depends on your view of Ghost. With the rumors earlier this summer I thought it was pretty good, if I did this last summer I probably would've removed Ratcliffe and gave Philly a second or something. Plus in this scenario the first would be late.
31 août 2019 à 15 h 3
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How's the job hunting going?


???
GM job you mean?
Or because I post too much?
31 août 2019 à 16 h 48
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You'd have to trade a lot more to teams like Ottawa, LA, and Detroit who are likely to all have top 5 overall picks.
31 août 2019 à 16 h 54
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The values are reasonable, if you did any three to five of these. After that, GMs start noticing the scarcity of first round picks, and raising the price to acquire one. Division rivals especially start to fear your impending dynasty and won't even think about it. Plus, there are some teams each year that just won't trade their first round pick, and others who won't trade it unless there's something they specifically need, down the stretch, that they feel gives them a much bigger shot at a championship. So this is functionally impossible. Storied teams that burn everything to the ground for picks typically come away with three, maybe five first round picks. They may get value back that's worth much more than that, in terms of decent prospects and younger players.

As for whether it's a good idea? No. FIrst round picks are usually given lots of extra chances to succeed. A team with thirty-one of them and 23 spots can't give everybody sheltered minutes.
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Quoting: arafay
Most deal values are off. For example, JoMo is worth at least 2 firsts


Look at what they got for Trouba. No way Morrissey alone is worth 2 1sts.
31 août 2019 à 17 h 15
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Most of these are actually somewhat close. I was prepared to get a laugh at them being lopsided but most aren't that bad.
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I mean it depends on your view of Ghost. With the rumors earlier this summer I thought it was pretty good, if I did this last summer I probably would've removed Ratcliffe and gave Philly a second or something. Plus in this scenario the first would be late.


Probably mid-to-late. Philly is a playoff team IMO but it's debatable. Connor is really good but Ratcliffe is a really good prospect last i checked, Ghost is probably a #3 d-man with top pairing potential and that's also a 1st rounder, all for Kyle Connor.
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Probably mid-to-late. Philly is a playoff team IMO but it's debatable. Connor is really good but Ratcliffe is a really good prospect last i checked, Ghost is probably a #3 d-man with top pairing potential and that's also a 1st rounder, all for Kyle Connor.


Agree on Ghost.
Read description, it's pick 22.
31 août 2019 à 19 h 50
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Quoting: Rusty_Shackelford
Most of these are actually somewhat close. I was prepared to get a laugh at them being lopsided but most aren't that bad.

Thanks!
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Quoting: Eli
The values are reasonable, if you did any three to five of these. After that, GMs start noticing the scarcity of first round picks, and raising the price to acquire one. Division rivals especially start to fear your impending dynasty and won't even think about it. Plus, there are some teams each year that just won't trade their first round pick, and others who won't trade it unless there's something they specifically need, down the stretch, that they feel gives them a much bigger shot at a championship. So this is functionally impossible. Storied teams that burn everything to the ground for picks typically come away with three, maybe five first round picks. They may get value back that's worth much more than that, in terms of decent prospects and younger players.

As for whether it's a good idea? No. FIrst round picks are usually given lots of extra chances to succeed. A team with thirty-one of them and 23 spots can't give everybody sheltered minutes.


Great insight!
I was just going for the value in a vacuum every time, if I factored in what you're saying I would've run out of assets.
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Look at what they got for Trouba. No way Morrissey alone is worth 2 1sts.


That's an outlier, not the rule. It was well documented that Trouba wanted to play in the US and has for quite some time. Chevy lost a ton of leverage because of that and ended up trading him for a huge lowball. It's rumored that Pittsburgh had a better offer but Chevy would let them talk with Overhart prior to the trade, so they revoked their bid.
Morrisey by all accounts wants to stay long term. Different ball game.
31 août 2019 à 23 h 26
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Quoting: Rusty_Shackelford
Look at what they got for Trouba. No way Morrissey alone is worth 2 1sts.


Trouba didn’t get full value because everyone knew he was only signing in New York. JoMo however is the same player but has more control and will probably be willing to sign anywhere

The Trouba trade can’t be used as a comparable because Trouba forced the jets’ hand in ways most players cant
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???
GM job you mean?
Or because I post too much?


Ha ha. I was just being a jerk. That must've taken a long time to put together though...
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Ha ha. I was just being a jerk. That must've taken a long time to put together though...


Yeah, it did. I was a little worried I wouldn't have enough pieces of value to trade for every pick, and then I'd have spent all that time for nothing. I forgot I had Kyle Connor until the Philly trade, and then only remembered Samberg when I got to Saint Louis. And I still ended up having to use my '21 and '22 firsts.
 
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