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21 août 2019 à 18 h 9
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Lehner????? He should be already after Rinne it higher. IMO, this must is bad... binnington after Crawford?
21 août 2019 à 18 h 29
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Vasilevskiy isn't the best goalie in the league.

Price isn't top 3.

Fluery is rated too high. So is Binnington.

Murray should be a top 10 goalie.

Dubnyk shouldn't be on this list. He's trash
21 août 2019 à 18 h 44
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Quoting: PenGoater99
Vasilevskiy isn't the best goalie in the league.

Price isn't top 3.

Fluery is rated too high. So is Binnington.

Murray should be a top 10 goalie.

Dubnyk shouldn't be on this list. He's trash


Murray is not a top 10 goalie in the league lol,

1. Vasilevsky
2. Price
3. BOB
4. Fleury
5. Binnington
6. Lehner
7. Rask
8. Anderson
9. Holtby
10. Rinne

I wouldn't even put him in the top 15, Lundquist, Gibson, Bsihop, Hellebuyck, Varlamov are better
21 août 2019 à 18 h 54
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Murray is not a top 10 goalie in the league lol,

1. Vasilevsky
2. Price
3. BOB
4. Fleury
5. Binnington
6. Lehner
7. Rask
8. Anderson
9. Holtby
10. Gibson


Lmao you think Fluery is a top 4 goalie when in reality, he really isn't. He posted a -2.24 GSAA and a 77.04 HDSV this past season.

Binnington only has a half-season sample size, and even then he played for a really good defensive team and was really lucky

Murray also has better underlying numbers than Vasilevskiy. 11 GSAA vs 0.98. 84 HDSV% vs 77.

Murray is also better than Rask too by those same metrics, and Rask plays for a far superior defensive team.

Price also hasn't been that good since the year he won the Hart trophy.

So my point still stands, Murray is a top 10 goalie.
21 août 2019 à 19 h 8
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Quoting: PenGoater99
Lmao you think Fluery is a top 4 goalie when in reality, he really isn't. He posted a -2.24 GSAA and a 77.04 HDSV this past season.

Binnington only has a half-season sample size, and even then he played for a really good defensive team and was really lucky

Murray also has better underlying numbers than Vasilevskiy. 11 GSAA vs 0.98. 84 HDSV% vs 77.

Murray is also better than Rask too by those same metrics, and Rask plays for a far superior defensive team.

Price also hasn't been that good since the year he won the Hart trophy.

So my point still stands, Murray is a top 10 goalie.


Vasilevsky has had back to back 40 win seasons. Reguardless of how good his team is he is still part of what makes it so good.
Price has carried a team that had 71 pts, 4th last in the league to almost making a playoff spot.
BOB is constantly in the talks for the vezina, puts up great stats
Fleury has taken the VGK to the playoffs in back to back years. They had no business even coming close in the debut season and he carried them to the final
Binnington just took the last place team in the league to the finals victory. You can say its luck all you want but after 50 games of dominance it stops being luck
Lehner just led the NHL in SV% and GA AVG
Rask put the bruins on his back and carried them to the final
Anderson is the only bit of defense the leafs have
Holtby consistently plays 60 games and is a corner stone in net for the caps
Gibson has also played about 60 games his past two seasons and is one of the few bright spots on a bad Anaheim team.

Matt Murray has yet to play more then 50 games. Is constantly injured. And even though has his name on the cup twice. Has played a full playoffs once, and the one time he played a full playoffs he only played 13 games in the regular season. He is not reliable because he is always injured.
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21 août 2019 à 19 h 34
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Vasilevsky has had back to back 40 win seasons. Reguardless of how good his team is he is still part of what makes it so good.
Price has carried a team that had 71 pts, 4th last in the league to almost making a playoff spot.
BOB is constantly in the talks for the vezina, puts up great stats
Fleury has taken the VGK to the playoffs in back to back years. They had no business even coming close in the debut season and he carried them to the final
Binnington just took the last place team in the league to the finals victory. You can say its luck all you want but after 50 games of dominance it stops being luck
Lehner just led the NHL in SV% and GA AVG
Rask put the bruins on his back and carried them to the final
Anderson is the only bit of defense the leafs have
Holtby consistently plays 60 games and is a corner stone in net for the caps
Gibson has also played about 60 games his past two seasons and is one of the few bright spots on a bad Anaheim team.

Matt Murray has yet to play more then 50 games. Is constantly injured. And even though has his name on the cup twice. Has played a full playoffs once, and the one time he played a full playoffs he only played 13 games in the regular season. He is not reliable because he is always injured.


Wins are a horrible way to evaluate goalies.
Montreal is actually good defensively with the likes of Weber, Petry, Kotkaniemi, and as I said, Price's underlying numbers are not great, Murray's are better.
I never said anything about Bobrovsky, I think he's the 4th best goalie in the league.
As I said before, Fleury played/plays behind a very good defensive team, his GSAA and HDSV are very poor.
Binnington's sample size is still very small, he could very well be the next Hammond, he still hasn't played a full year and again, he was playing behind a d-group led by Parayko and Pietrangelo.
Lehner did have a good year, but it could very well be an outlier, I highly doubt he has a season of that magnitude with Chicago who are way worse than the Isles defensively.
Rask plays behind one of the best defensive teams in the league, a 17 game stretch doesn't change that. Murray was better in the regular season.
Andersen is a top 3 goalie in the league, no arguments there.
Holtby was really good about 1.5 years ago, but Murray is even catching up to him as Murray posted better GSAA and HDSV.
Gibson is the best goalie in the league, I'm not going to argue about him.

It's true that Murray gets hurt a bit too much, but when he's healthy, he's a top 10 goalie in the league.
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21 août 2019 à 19 h 45
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Vassy is overrated, as others have pointed out on this thread. This list is pretty much close to what I would've got, just minor tweaks. Price slightly lower, Freddy above Fluery, since he's our defence. Quick needs to be in the top 5 IMO.
21 août 2019 à 19 h 49
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Price is too high. Fleury is too high
21 août 2019 à 19 h 49
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Vassy is overrated, as others have pointed out on this thread. This list is pretty much close to what I would've got, just minor tweaks. Price slightly lower, Freddy above Fluery, since he's our defence. Quick needs to be in the top 5 IMO.


Quick in the top 5?!
21 août 2019 à 20 h 10
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Wins are a horrible way to evaluate goalies.
Montreal is actually good defensively with the likes of Weber, Petry, Kotkaniemi, and as I said, Price's underlying numbers are not great, Murray's are better.
I never said anything about Bobrovsky, I think he's the 4th best goalie in the league.
As I said before, Fleury played/plays behind a very good defensive team, his GSAA and HDSV are very poor.
Binnington's sample size is still very small, he could very well be the next Hammond, he still hasn't played a full year and again, he was playing behind a d-group led by Parayko and Pietrangelo.
Lehner did have a good year, but it could very well be an outlier, I highly doubt he has a season of that magnitude with Chicago who are way worse than the Isles defensively.
Rask plays behind one of the best defensive teams in the league, a 17 game stretch doesn't change that. Murray was better in the regular season.
Andersen is a top 3 goalie in the league, no arguments there.
Holtby was really good about 1.5 years ago, but Murray is even catching up to him as Murray posted better GSAA and HDSV.
Gibson is the best goalie in the league, I'm not going to argue about him.

It's true that Murray gets hurt a bit too much, but when he's healthy, he's a top 10 goalie in the league.


lol so what is your top 10 list?
22 août 2019 à 11 h 0
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Modifié 22 août 2019 à 11 h 9
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Lehner????? He should be already after Rinne it higher. IMO, this must is bad... binnington after Crawford?


Lehner had one good season...if he can play well and have a repeat performance with Chicago, I would put him in the top 10.
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Vasilevskiy isn't the best goalie in the league.

Price isn't top 3.

Fluery is rated too high. So is Binnington.

Murray should be a top 10 goalie.

Dubnyk shouldn't be on this list. He's trash


Price is definitely a top 5 goalie if not a top 3. There is a reason why he gets paid as much as he does.

fleury took the Knights to the cup finals and then had a stellar second season with them. Could he be shuffled down some, sure.

Murray is not that great of a goalie. Just because he has 2 cups does not make him a top 10 goalie.... his numbers still aren't great. He has the potential to be a top 10 goalie but he isn't there quite yet.

Dubnyk isn't trash... That is you not watching him play.
22 août 2019 à 11 h 12
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Quoting: acalza
Vassy is overrated, as others have pointed out on this thread. This list is pretty much close to what I would've got, just minor tweaks. Price slightly lower, Freddy above Fluery, since he's our defence. Quick needs to be in the top 5 IMO.


Quick isn't that good anymore... He is at best top 15...

I think Price is still a top 5 goalie though.

Basically from 4-12 you can make the case for anyone of those goalie to be higher than what i put them at. I feel the majority are all even.
22 août 2019 à 11 h 23
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Going by WAR over the past 2 seasons combined:

1. Gibson (and it's not close)
2. Andersen
3. Hellebuyck
4. Rinne
5. Bobrovsky
6. Bishop
7. Fleury
8. Lehner
9. Grubauer
10. Markstrom
 
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