I like the CGY trade but I don't want to use a retained salary transaction (can only have 3) for just a 3rd. I would keep the option to retain on Green and Frolik for max returns at the deadline.

im confsued. y do so many red wings fans wanna trade a young, speedy 30 goal scorer sm.

He is one dimensional and his defense is awful. Additionally this past season may potentially wind up being his most productive in his career. Couple all this with DET being 3+ years from being able to compete for/in the playoffs again it is more about selling high on a valuable player.

Not trading AA for a 31 year old Frolik whom doesn't fit into our rebuild plus Kylington Detroit can get a by far better return then this. Plus more then likely the Flames 2020 1st round pick will be in the 20-25 range so no thank you.

Frolik is for cap relief which CGY needs. Frolik can then be flipped at the deadline for another pick.

Getting a 1st and Kylington for AA is a good deal for DET imo.

Getting cap relief and AA for CGY is a good deal as well as Kylington is the odd man out and they need to move Frolik for cap space to sign Tkachuk

Not sure if it was Dreger or Friedman that mentioned that Ottawa, Montreal and Detroit would be good fits for Frolik. Wouldn't mind one year of Frolik just not with AA attached. Any idea what Kylinton's ceiling is top 4 D perhaps.

Kylington definitely has a top 4 ceiling and he is NHL ready. Frolik is a cap dump in this trade so focusing on him is kind of silly.

As i look at it now, I'm a big fan of Oliver Kylington and like you said Frolik is a dump and getting a 1st round pick attached as well for AA. Might not be a bad deal after all. Just have a feeling that AA is going to price himself out of Detroit anyways.

Yeah this trade makes a ton of sense which likely means it will never happen

Agreed.

I agree with you most of the time but not here. Last offseason he spent a lot of time working on his defense. Now I don't see him winning a Selke but his defense has improved and it slowly got better through out the season. That's why he got more and more ice time as the season progressed. He proved to Blashill he was willing to put in the extra work and now he is one of Blashill's favorite players. I'm assuming with his speed he didn't have to play a lot of defense coming up through the ranks and he's learning to play defense against the best players in the world.

As for the trade Frolik is to old to fit in to Detroit's plans and I think Kylington is going to be a good player but if Detroit moves AA a top pair defenseman will be of the deal maybe 24 to 27 yrs old.

It’s pure insanity. Trust me, we don’t all want to. Like @aedoran says, we’d trade him for a high level young dman. But for me, I wouldn’t trade him for anything else. He’s hitting his potential now and it wouldn’t even be selling high on him yet. In 2 years time, that might be when you could sell high on him but I don’t want to trade him at all.

Detroit just can't afford to sign Mantha and Athanasiou to possible 6.5+M with term with so many young wingers coming up. Zadina, Hirose, Ras, Svech and Berggren should all be in the lineup before AA's next deal expires. I'm a big fan of AA but his agent is known for putting up a fight and I'm not sure I wanna pay him that kind of money right now.

As for Frolik, he is merely a cap dump from Calgary to help them sign their remaining RFA's. We can ship him off at the deadline as a rental for a 3rd round pick, maybe a 2nd if we're lucky.

Think of the trade as a 1st, 2nd (potentially a 3rd) and Kylington.

I get what you are saying. Now I think Holland ruined Svech's confidence a couple of years ago when he had a great preseason then he was sent back to GR and didn't come back till the very end of the year. That season was when his production went down significantly and he may need a change of scenery before he lives up to his full potential. Holland may have ruined Rasmussen as well, Ras clearly wasn't anywhere near ready for the NHL. The AHL might have been better than WHL for Ras but he couldn't play in the AHL with junior eligibility left. The we have Zadina who was able to play in the AHL because Holland got permission from Halifax, QMJHL or the CHL. I not totally clear on who granted the permission I just know they got it. Zadina struggled and wasn't very consistent in GR. Was it better for him to play in the AHL over the QMJHL? I have no idea. I don't think Rasmussen would've benefited from another year in the WHL but the NHL wasn't the right place for him either. He should have been in the AHL last season. Hirose looked very good for the 10 games he played in but that stretch was the best the Wings played last season. The Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha line accounted for 17 goals and AA had 6 goals in that period as well. I hope I'm wrong and they all live up to their full potential.

So trading AA and a 4th rd pick for a cap dump, Kylington and a 1st rd pick that will probably be some where between the 24th OA and 29th OA. Kylington could become a very good player but so far his biggest NHL achievement is he was drafted in the 2nd round. I'm not saying he is a bad player or that he will never be good. I'm saying that 38 games isn't enough to label him good or bad. AA who is very fast and scored 30 goals and had 54 points.

So AA gets traded in this offseason and Detroit hopes Svech, Zadina, Hirose and Ras contribute enough to make up the slack. The only for sure asset Detroit gets is a 1st round pick. in the mid to later 20's.

His defense is still atrocious and I doubt he hits 30 goals again.