Detroit says NO!

Really? That's pretty emphatic no for being able to move from #6 to #3 with only moving back in the 2nd round slightly and losing a 3rd rounder for a 4th while gaining a very fast prospect. If Detroit wants Byram, he'll be gone at #6. If they want a center, they will likely get the worst of Cozens, Dach or Turcotte...my bet is Dach slips. Podkozlin I believe will also fall given his russian ties.

I don’t see Yzerman making the trade for Byram. Defense is not the teams only need. Detroit’s 3rd rd pick for Boston’s 4th rd pick, Fortin 22yr old undrafted free agent C/W with 6 points in 24 games isn’t worth that.

and how does that trade help Toronto get better? Kapanen is a top 6 winger with big speed and can play the penalty kill. The only way he's moved is for a top 4 dman. Dubas laughs and hangs up.

Hayden adds much needed grit to the 4th line after they move Brown. Sikura is a B prospect and late bloomer. Bottom line and most important for some of you homers to realize; Toronto has no choice but to move cap and Kap isn't getting you a top 3 D guy. At a bare minimum, two of Brown, Kadri, Johnsson, or Kap are moved since everyone doesn't think they are moving Nylander which I'm not sold on. That said, I'm going with Kap is moved because Toronto is out of money after signing Marner and Johnsson. Also, almost every Toronto fan on here doesn't understand the LITR situation...you can't just throw 100% of Horton's cap hit on LITR and use 100% of that space, so maybe Chicago takes Horton and Kap for a 3rd.

But we can scratch all this and just make an offer sheet on Kap July 1st given historically how Dubas has done so well with Nylander and Marner last summer; so maybe we just bet Dubas can't get it done.

Wow, the #3OA is generally worth taking a 1 step back in the mid rounds, but if not a fit for Detroit in your opinion, then fair enough.

Unless your moving into the top 2 or from 10+ into the top 9 it really it really isn't worth it.

Totally disagree unless you have a team with big needs in all positions or you need a Center since the C position is deep.

Ok that works for me Detroit's centers right now: #1 Larkin, #2 AA, #3 Neilson, #4 Glendening

Kapanen will get at least $4 million per on a OS. Doubt he'd sign that low.

I don't see Yzerman doing it because DET needs a bunch of assests vs just 1 piece, but make no mistake...Stevie Y is taking Bowman to the wood shed if he were to make this trade. Jumping from 6 to 3 is worth more than DET's 2nd AND probably 3rd without anything going back. I would be PISSED if Bowman did this trade.

No he's not. Kapanen is a top 9 player who benefitted playing with the best 5 on 5 goal scorer in the world most of the year. I agree this trade is unrealistic because even an offer sheet would get a 2ND back, but unless he wants to sign for around 2.5-3 mil like hes actually worth I don't see him here next season.
If you don't believe those numbers look at what Nurse and Morrissey just signed for last season and are more impactful/better than Kapanen

Here is the flaw in your whole idea man. If Kapanen is the one to be moved, and I think he makes the most sense to move, more than just Chicago are going to have interest in what Kap is as a player and what he could become. So what do you think happens when a high value asset hits the market? All the opposing GM's call each other up and agree to lowball the Leafs because it hurts the Leafs and will benefit one other team very likely not their own? Of course not, if Kap hits the market, and only an idiot would think that Dubas wouldn't move him prior to an offer sheet happening, there will be a lot of interest and the Leafs will field offers with the best offer getting a team Kap. I am not saying he's going to get a kings ransom, but he'll get a much better return than 2 borderline NHLers and a couple of late picks. He's a former first round pick with speed and can score and a good PK guy. It's going to take a fair package to get him in a trade. The worst return for a player from the Leafs would be Zaitsev and that would still be a return. Something like Zaitsev for a 5th. If it's Kap it's going to be a deal that'll help TO in the future.

Yes but no GM in the league is giving Kapanen 4 mil. It's so weird these days seeing all other NHL fans overvalue the leafs instead of actual Leaf fans doing it.
He is an average top 9 winger in the NHL. His statistics are massively inflated

You're probably right, Kapanen on an OS at the most might get $3.5 million and that's probably a tad high.

Never said he's going to be on the Leafs next season; but he won't be just given away. sorry.

He's probably not on the Leafs next season, maybe he is if Kadri is moved. But they'll get more than you're offering. Guaranteed.

Moving Kap actually doesn't help out TOR...it hurts them. He's and ELC that needs to be replaced. So there's zero affect on the cap by moving him. Dubas would be wise to combine Kap and either Zaitsev/Kadri. He STILL won't get what most TOR fans want, but this way you can for sure shed Zaitsev/Kadri. You're correct that teams aren't and won't collude against TOR, but teams are jumping up to help TOR either. Let's role play Dubas calling any other GM. Dubas: How about Zaitsev??? Other GM: OK and what else? Dubas: Nothing. Other GM: You NEED to move him right? Dubas: Yeah. Other GM: Ok get back to me with a better offer.

Well that is an awfully poorly executed role play.

Also Kapanen is RFA meaning he isn't an ELC and he will be commanding close to 3 million, so trading him for an elc would save them 2 million.

So how about lets try a role play again.

Rival GM "Hello Mr Dubas, what's going on with Kapanen?"

Dubas "He's available"

Rival GM "I'll give you essentially nothing because of your cap situation."

Dubas "Okay well your competitor is offering a 21 year old guy who has size speed and a lot of potential (think Jordan Greenway), so unless you are going to have reasonable conversation, I think we are done here."

Rival GM "Okay wait, we can give you this fair deal."

Dubas "okay, we'll mull it over but there are several teams interested in Kapanen so we will do whats best for our team."

I have several posts on here where the team is under the salary, cap and they didn't have to hurt themselves by losing a trade. That is just short sighted non sense that doesn't make any sense. TO has 1 year of cap troubles because of Marleau, after this coming season they will have much more flexibility. So fans should just settle down, trust the process and maybe be okay with a lateral step season.

haha, love it! I'll read the rest now.

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What I meant by traded Kap away...you're not improving TOR's cap situation. last year Kap was an ELC...so maybe Dubas is looking for assets...ok, but even in your situation...Let's say Greenway for Kap is the trade. (It doesn't really matter who.) TOR did literally nothing to solve their cap issues/Marner issues.

Said by a true Leafs homer

Here's the flaw in your thinking; you do realize the UFA market has a lot of wingers this year right? And you do realize the RFA market is pretty good too? Do you really think there's going to be a bidding war for Kap? He's a solid B+ player, but not somebody who alone moves the needle so likely there's a few teams interested and that's all given that he's going to be looking for $3.5M. I think he's worth a 2nd rounder and a B tier prospect. What I offered here is a B tier prospect, a 4th liner to replace Brown with more grit, and a 3rd and 4th rounder. That's not far off. Like I said in another post, maybe it's Sikura or Hayden and a 2nd round pick, but that's about the same value either way. What I find comical is Leafs fans thinking Kap is going to net them a top 4 D guy like Pesce. What I did see that's accurate, is Kap and a 2nd rounder for Pesce which is another fair offer, but again, doubt Carolina with their success is moving their right wingers...they have plenty of cap space so no need to.

Again I am not one of those fans, all I am saying is Kap isn't going to be given away. He's a good player who is young and has his whole career ahead of him. That is easy to move and for a fair return. Teams aren't going to "stick it to the Leafs" and get him for a d prospect and a 3rd round pick. Other teams will outbid that without a doubt.

Where teams have had to take a hit when moving a player is when they have really bad contracts they have to move to keep star players. The Leafs don't have that problem. They can move good periphery players for a fair return and not miss a beat.

Sikura and Hayden aren't D prospects. Sikura is like a duclair, late bloomer. Neither will be top 6 guys likely but Sikura certainly should be a 3rd liner and that's conservative. Hayden will be a solid 4th liner but doesn't have the upside that Sikura has. D prospects don't make the NHL; both players already have.

In the bottom 6 of a team that missed the playoffs. They might have trouble making the Leafs team entirely, like how many 3rd liners on bad teams would even make the 4th line in Tampa? When Kapanen is your #3 RW your depth is pretty strong, on some teams he's their best RW. Look at Edmonton, Ennis may have been better than all the wingers edmonton has period. So a bottom 6 guy on a bad team is not likely to make the team on the deeper teams in the NHL.

I don't know enough about the players you mentioned to give a full analysis but being bubble players in their early 20's on a team that wasn't very strong doesn't instill confidence.