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Trouba

Créé par: dlh5c
Équipe: 2019-20 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 29 avr. 2019
Publié: 30 avr. 2019
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Why does everyone on this site want to trade assets for Trouba when he will be a UFA next season and has made it known he wants to come to Detroit?

Anyways, this should be the lineup for next year. We should have another high pick in 2020. Save cap space for 2020-2021 season (sign trouba then). Prospects should be ready (McIsaac, Berggren) , Bring up 2019 1st round pick (hopefully turcotte or byram), maybe 2020 pick (crossing fingers for lafreniere, byfield, holtz or raymond).
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30 avr. 2019 à 0 h 11
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because people are dumb and think rebuilding teams should give up prospects and picks.
30 avr. 2019 à 0 h 17
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Because Jets fans don't want him to walk for nothing. Also since he has one year left as RFA he could work as a rental for some team.

Kinda like Stone did this year, for example.
30 avr. 2019 à 0 h 46
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Because Jets fans don't want him to walk for nothing. Also since he has one year left as RFA he could work as a rental for some team.

Kinda like Stone did this year, for example.


Condo in Florida, with better team, weather, and tax rate may play a factor, rhd entering prime don’t grow on trees, and a decent gm may jump the line for a shot at him, worst case a hungry contract year
30 avr. 2019 à 0 h 51
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Condo in Florida, with better team, weather, and tax rate may play a factor, rhd entering prime don’t grow on trees, and a decent gm may jump the line for a shot at him, worst case a hungry contract year


DET has 3 trump cards on Trouba.

1. Playing back in home state, Michigan
2. Money. If FLA goes after Panarin and Bob, DET is in the best position money-wise.
3. Yzerman - everyone would like to have the best GM in the league...
30 avr. 2019 à 0 h 55
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DET has 3 trump cards on Trouba.

1. Playing back in home state, Michigan
2. Money. If FLA goes after Panarin and Bob, DET is in the best position money-wise.
3. Yzerman - everyone would like to have the best GM in the league...


I can agree to 1 and 2, but I think the jury is out on three, Tb had a banner year, but he got contract length happy and refused to add enough skilled muscle or depth beyond hedman, I firmly believe that blueline is mediocre at best without a 80 percent hedman
30 avr. 2019 à 0 h 57
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I can agree to 1 and 2, but I think the jury is out on three, Tb had a banner year, but he got contract length happy and refused to add enough skilled muscle or depth beyond hedman, I firmly believe that blueline is mediocre at best without a 80 percent hedman


Regardless, he pretty much has built the best core NHL has seen in many, many years. And the regular season was proof of that.

I'm interested in what Brisebois will make. Their defense needs some boost, I agree.
30 avr. 2019 à 1 h 3
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Regardless, he pretty much has built the best core NHL has seen in many, many years. And the regular season was proof of that.

I'm interested in what Brisebois will make. Their defense needs some boost, I agree.


Yzerman has never had bad timing, and there’s enough mediocre gms around to shine up some of those forwards to rob what is needed, just too light up front especially in top 6, power forwards are a dieing breed and never quite have enough, turning valuable again. That blueline doesn’t seem to have a solid enough middle ground, 3/4 need a upgrade or some kids got to up there game, and take some minutes off 1 and 2, but they can’t afford a trouba type because of the money spent on forwards. But we will see they definitely have enough skill forwards
30 avr. 2019 à 1 h 18
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dlh5c i couldn't agree more.

BurgerBoss - Playing in your home state doesn't mean a whole lot until the player comes out in the ice in his hometown jersey on . One example: A few years back Ryan Miller is about to become a UFA Detroit media says he is a lock to sign in Detroit. To this date Miller still playing in the NHL has never worn the Winged Wheel in a game yet. That is why Detroit shouldn't spend anything big to get Trouba who is basically going to be a rental if Winnipeg trades him. If he really wants to come to Detroit as you said why give up any assets at all to get him. Let him come to Detroit on his own then sign him.

Yes Detroit has cap space and they aren't to the point with their rebuild that they should spend it because they have it. Now if they take on a cap dump for a pick or good prospect fine as long as its 1yr, 2yr at the most any thing more is counter productive and if it is a 2yr contract then it better be pick in the 1st or 2nd round or a top 5 prospect.
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dlh5c i couldn't agree more.

BurgerBoss - Playing in your home state doesn't mean a whole lot until the player comes out in the ice in his hometown jersey on . One example: A few years back Ryan Miller is about to become a UFA Detroit media says he is a lock to sign in Detroit. To this date Miller still playing in the NHL has never worn the Winged Wheel in a game yet. That is why Detroit shouldn't spend anything big to get Trouba who is basically going to be a rental if Winnipeg trades him. If he really wants to come to Detroit as you said why give up any assets at all to get him. Let him come to Detroit on his own then sign him.

Yes Detroit has cap space and they aren't to the point with their rebuild that they should spend it because they have it. Now if they take on a cap dump for a pick or good prospect fine as long as its 1yr, 2yr at the most any thing more is counter productive and if it is a 2yr contract then it better be pick in the 1st or 2nd round or a top 5 prospect.


The only problem with this theory, is some team that may not even be on his radar, buys him up for a rental year ( 50 cents on the dollar) and wines him dines him and throws in a little extra dough to convince him to sign up longterm with them. Ie stone probably didn’t even have Vegas on the radar until they pulled out all the stops for him, ending with a 8 year deal. Philly could possibly pull a move like this.
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The only problem with this theory, is some team that may not even be on his radar, buys him up for a rental year ( 50 cents on the dollar) and wines him dines him and throws in a little extra dough to convince him to sign up longterm with them. Ie stone probably didn’t even have Vegas on the radar until they pulled out all the stops for him, ending with a 8 year deal. Philly could possibly pull a move like this.


Yes you’re absolutely right and that is a very realistic outcome. I don’t know happened between him and The Jets. For all I know it was made up or blown out way proportion. Trouba only signing a 1 year contract does put him in control of where he will eventually end up. Maybe he wouldn’t like playing in Detroit or maybe June 1st rolls around and he signs a 8yr extension with the Jets.

Rental or not I don’t think it’s worth giving AA or Hronek or any of Detroit’s core players for him. I saw Cholowski as part of a trade for Trouba I didn’t like but it’s better than AA or Hronek. Same thing with Rasmussen but I don’t see Detroit moving either of them. Detroit still has work to do and trading prospects now is kind of dumb. Maybe in the 2020 off season they should pursue free agents. I’m perfectly fine with the team staying away from free agents and trades this off season.
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Yes you’re absolutely right and that is a very realistic outcome. I don’t know happened between him and The Jets. For all I know it was made up or blown out way proportion. Trouba only signing a 1 year contract does put him in control of where he will eventually end up. Maybe he wouldn’t like playing in Detroit or maybe June 1st rolls around and he signs a 8yr extension with the Jets.

Rental or not I don’t think it’s worth giving AA or Hronek or any of Detroit’s core players for him. I saw Cholowski as part of a trade for Trouba I didn’t like but it’s better than AA or Hronek. Same thing with Rasmussen but I don’t see Detroit moving either of them. Detroit still has work to do and trading prospects now is kind of dumb. Maybe in the 2020 off season they should pursue free agents. I’m perfectly fine with the team staying away from free agents and trades this off season.


I believe his goal was always to go home or closer to home, and you can’t knock a guy for that. They say he has a condo in Florida, so that started those rumours, and young millionaire in a city under a million people, there also some party rumours and stories. Ya I wouldn’t expect core pieces for him by any means, but enough for it to makes sense for Winnipeg not to sign him for 1 year and just take the cap relief in July. Bowey is from Winnipeg and always wondered about new gm and the patience for Svechnikov, and the Detroit second wouldn’t be that far out of the first, And Winnipeg would have to sweeten the deal obviously, but they would need the cap relief anyway, maybe another Michigan alum in rfa copp who I wouldn’t want to lose, I think he’s a underrated jet, or could get wild and crazy and attempt to bring Connor back to det, and make lots of cap space. Going to be a interesting summer no matter what happens though
30 avr. 2019 à 9 h 25
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People keep trying to trade Trouba to DET because he said he would like to play for his hometown team, back when he was 20. Unlike Miller (who is from Lansing, not Detroit, where there are as many Hawks fans as Wings fans), Trouba is actually from the Detroit Metro area (Rochester Hills), and expressed interest in doing so, albeit 5 years ago.

Trading for Trouba now does not help DET next year at all. Trouba is not a 1D, he's not much better than Hronek numbers wise, he's just 4 years older. Both Hronek and Trouba are RH, offensive minded dmen. Trading for Trouba just wastes rebuilding assets (weaken the offense for a 2/3D), and doesn't put DET in a position to do anything.

Yzerman has a history for making hockey trades, but AA (or Ras, or Mantha, etc) for Trouba would not fit his MO. Think Drouin + 6th for Sergachev + 2nd. Young assets, under control for multiple years, with top projections for guys that are about to cost way more money, or lose control. Not trading assets for a guy that is an FA in 1 year (especially when you will have a boatload of cash in his FA year). Now, AA for Sergachev , Ekblad, Seth Jones, Werenski would be Yzerman's MO (these are bad value examples, but each of these guys have projection left and are under control for multiple years).

Yzerman will probably sit tight on the FA market, and trade some of the assets that are at their peak remaining value (Glendening for sure, Daley and Green maybe). In 20/21, he'll have almost $36mm (at an $83mm cap using Zetterberg on LTIR) to spend. Bert, AA, and Mantha will take between 15-20 of that, leaving them $16mm minimum to shop with, and a few guys ready to graduate (Veleno, McIsaac, Lindstrom maybe) that can be used for hole fillings or tradeable assets.
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30 avr. 2019 à 10 h 31
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I believe his goal was always to go home or closer to home, and you can’t knock a guy for that. They say he has a condo in Florida, so that started those rumours, and young millionaire in a city under a million people, there also some party rumours and stories. Ya I wouldn’t expect core pieces for him by any means, but enough for it to makes sense for Winnipeg not to sign him for 1 year and just take the cap relief in July. Bowey is from Winnipeg and always wondered about new gm and the patience for Svechnikov, and the Detroit second wouldn’t be that far out of the first, And Winnipeg would have to sweeten the deal obviously, but they would need the cap relief anyway, maybe another Michigan alum in rfa copp who I wouldn’t want to lose, I think he’s a underrated jet, or could get wild and crazy and attempt to bring Connor back to det, and make lots of cap space. Going to be a interesting summer no matter what happens though


Ok but almost every Trouba trade I've seen has AA or Hronek going to Winnipeg both of those are core pieces.
30 avr. 2019 à 10 h 40
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People keep trying to trade Trouba to DET because he said he would like to play for his hometown team, back when he was 20. Unlike Miller (who is from Lansing, not Detroit, where there are as many Hawks fans as Wings fans), Trouba is actually from the Detroit Metro area (Rochester Hills), and expressed interest in doing so, albeit 5 years ago.


FWIW, i get why people want to trade for trouba. he is a decent top 4 D man and he has made it clear in the past he wants to be in detroit. My issue is trading for him as an RFA. He is one year away from being UFA and we arent competing for a cup next year. So why trade assets for someone we can get for free in a year?

I agree he and hronek are similar but thats not a bad thing to have two hroneks.
30 avr. 2019 à 11 h 0
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FWIW, i get why people want to trade for trouba. he is a decent top 4 D man and he has made it clear in the past he wants to be in detroit. My issue is trading for him as an RFA. He is one year away from being UFA and we arent competing for a cup next year. So why trade assets for someone we can get for free in a year?

I agree he and hronek are similar but thats not a bad thing to have two hroneks.


I would gamble also that he falls into your lap as a ufa, I wonder if you buy a year early a hometown discount comes into play over ufa negotiation, maybe save a elc type number
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I would gamble also that he falls into your lap as a ufa, I wonder if you buy a year early a hometown discount comes into play over ufa negotiation, maybe save a elc type number


Yeah possibly. I like trouba but i see no reason to give up anything more than a mid round pick or mid level prospect. We dont need him next year and even if he goes somewhere else the following year its not like he is a 1D and we have plenty of 2-6 dmen in the system.
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Yeah possibly. I like trouba but i see no reason to give up anything more than a mid round pick or mid level prospect. We dont need him next year and even if he goes somewhere else the following year its not like he is a 1D and we have plenty of 2-6 dmen in the system.


Ya he fits better in Philly or Ottawa better than he does in Detroit
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