Not the first three...

I don't see the Yotes trading away one of their top dmen when he's young and on a good deal, even if they get a suitable replacement in Maatta. JR also said Malkin is untouchable, he's not going anywhere.

Whats the price tag on Matt Murray? .. I know only Crosby and Malkin were deemed untouchable, and Guentzel and Murray just had high price tags, so I'm curious on Murray

Report came out today saying Malkin could be moved. Unlikely to happen but I’d be for it honestly.

I’d say Murray is more untouchable than Malkin. They don’t have any other options and let Fleury go. He will be signing a long term deal with Pens as soon as he can.

Pens say yes to Ottawa trade but Ottawa probably says no.
Pens say no to the Arizona deal.
The Edmonton deal is just unnecessary.
Absolutely not on the Calgary trade. If Monahan or Gaudreau/Tkachuk aren’t coming back then no way on that.

Malkin doesn’t wanna come to Calgary

There is a team in the league that will take Jack johnson for a 5th. Ottawa could be one.

Bjugstad/Petterrsson is necessary to sign other players and get draft picks.

Arizona deal works for both sides and if you wanna throw in a late pick or a prospect to Arizona then go ahead.

Any team trading for Malkin is going to be doing so without breaking up their core. Yeah obviously I’d want one of those guys coming back but it’s not gonna happen for an aging Malkin. That’s a pretty realistic return for what you would get for him at this point and you also get Duchene from the cap space saved from trade.

He’s from Magnitogorsk. The climate wouldn’t be an issue.

Other than that who wouldn’t want to go to a young uP and coming contender and immediately become their best star player?

It's possible, but he controls his fate with the NMC, can't see him choosing CGY when the weather sucks and there's no Russians on the roster

Why would Ottawa be one? They are a rebuilding team. Maybe a contender that needs a 3rd pairing D, but not a rebuilder. And don’t say to get to the cap floor cause they could take a guy like Hossa for a 7th to do that and not waste a spot for their young guys.

No that trade isn’t necessary because there is no one to sign that’s equal or even better that the pens could afford. They are young, affordable talent. That’s what the pens want. They don’t want to get older and worse.

Why would the pens throw another pick to Arizona when the deal is already heavily favored in Arizona’s favor?

Then they won’t trade malkin. They aren’t going to get trade f***ed just to trade Geno. You don’t trade a superstar to get crap return/just picks if you aren’t rebuilding.

Ottawa is rebuilding they just blew up their entire team. Jack Johnson would be valuable leadership for them. They are no where close to being a contender...

And yeah Arizona it’s a fair trade. Especially when we get to move up and select someone like Caufield. I thought you meant the trade was lopsided in favour of Pens.

And Malkin trade is from rumours today about possibly moving him. And yes, the return for someone as old and injury prone as Malkin despite his elite production would look like that. Sam Bennett is unreal. So is TJ Brodie plus 1 or 2 firsts? That’s a haul. Malkin will be worth A LOT less in the next few years. It’s all about maximizing your assets. If there is a time to trade him it’s now and that’s what you’re gonna get for him because no team is going to trade For Malkin and give up their core pieces as well.

This team is better than it was before the moves were made and WAY better in the long term. The window is wide open and Sid could definitely get a couple more cups out of this team. As a Pens fan you should pray that they do something like this unless you wanna be like LA or Chicago in the next year or two.

What leadership would JJ provide? Outside of how to be an average at best snail on defense? Lol. And who said Ottawa was anywhere close to being a contender? Pretty sure I clearly stated they are a rebuilder. Hence why they wouldn’t want JJ. Only a contending team desperate for a bottom pair D would want JJ.

No it’s not a fair trade to trade an elite winger, a young top 4 D for another young top 4 D and to move up a couple spots. That’s heavily favored in Arizona’s favor.

Trading Geno and a young/cheap middle six winger for a bust, a prospect 4th liner, a pending ufa defenseman that they won’t be able to re-sign because they end up in cap hell and a 20 something pick and a late 2nd isn’t a haul for them. Sorry it’s just not. Geno isn’t that old and still has several great years ahead of him.

Hahaha what are you talking about? JJ has been in the league for 13 years has playoff and international experience for 3 different teams and even though
He sucks he’s an absolute warrior and good pro role model your young players in Ottawa or somewhere else.

And Chychryn is an absolute stud, Olli is no where close and his injury history is catching up to him he just can’t skate well enough anymore. I don’t think many teams are going to be able to offer more than that for Kessel and if they are then the cap will be difficult.

The same goes for Malkin. It’s not easy to realistically trade players like that but if Pens organization wants to win and keep window open then that’s a move they’re going to have to make. Sam Bennett is not a bust if you throw him on Crosby’s line he’ll get 70 points next year plus some Jam. Pens would have to decide to keep Brodie or Schultz or Gudbranson but that’s alright cause Addison or Seider or Prow could step in by then.

Once again...
This team>Old team
This teams future>>>>>>>>old team

Playoff experience? Yeah he can teach Ottawa how to be a first rd exit and how to be slow ?.

In one breath you say JJ (who can’t skate at all) has value because he suddenly has so much playoff experience, yet Maatta (who actually has playoff experience outside of rd 1) is crap for not being fleet of foot in the next breath. Yet Maatta has a great hockey IQ, positionally sound. Chychrun isn’t that much better than Maatta that it evens out the trade. Like I said, it’s not making your team better to trade f**k yourself just to trade these players. And injury history means nothing. Beau Bennett was traded for a 3rd rd pick ffs.

Bennett is absolutely a bust. A 4th overall that’s never scored more than 18 goals and hasn’t done that in 3 years is absolutely a bust. And please show that on your crystal ball. Players value is based on what they have done not what you hope. If he can’t get 20 goals or 40 pts playing with Monahan, Gaudreau, backlund, etc...what makes you think he’ll be any different with Crosby?

I would be too for the right price

I can’t believe that you are trying to argue that Jack Johnson wouldn’t provide leadership and a veteran presence to a young team that’s just absurd...

The same goes with trying to compare Chychryn and Maatta. Maatta has played well for Pens but he just doesn’t work there anymore obviously and Chychryn is bigger, faster, stronger and his ceiling is about as high as any young dman.

We can agree to disagree on Bennett but fact is that outside of your fantasy world there is no way that Thachuk gaudreau or Monahan are coming back in a realistic deal for Malkin

Where has he ever been a good leader? Or a leader in general? What playoff experience does he have outside of getting bounced in the first round.

You said Maatta doesn’t have the value due to injury history. Chychrun hasn’t had a season where he has played more than 68 games. His last two seasons were 50 and 53 games. Maatta has better possession metrics. Chychrun has like 55+% of his zone starts in the offensive zone and only had 6 more points than Maatta this past season. Maatta had almost 60% defensive zone starts. Maatta is cheaper. Chychrun is a career -24 and Maatta is a career +61. Maatta was a +9 this year, and that’s with being paired with JJ at JJ’s worst and Matt Murray struggling this year until the last couple months.

Then they won’t trade Geno. Geno can easily grab one of them back. If Calgary doesn’t want to go for a cup and get a generational talent by trading one of their top 3, then there is no point in trading Geno right now. Pens could easily get a similar package for malkin in 2-3 years when it would make more sense for the pens to maybe take 70 cents on the dollar as opposed to 95 cents on the dollar.