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Trade for 3OA

Créé par: johnnybgaude
Équipe: 2016-17 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 7 juin 2016
Publié: 7 juin 2016
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Rumor: Flames trade up for 3OA Columbus trades down & Takes Logan Brown.
Plus other tweaks, a goalie and more.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
87 000 000 $
67 000 000 $
11 000 000 $
1660 000 $
54 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 200 000 $
Puljujarvi, Jesse
3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Clarkson, David
  2. Rychel, Kerby
Détails additionnels:
2016 1rst round pick (3rd OA)
Flames take Clarkson @ full value
RFA rights for Anton Forsberg
CBJ
  1. Bouma, Lance
  2. Mangiapane, Andrew
Détails additionnels:
2016 1st round pick (6th OA)
Rights to Joe Colborne
2.
CGY
    Rights to Andersson
    ANA
    1. Shinkaruk, Hunter
    Détails additionnels:
    2016 2nd round pick (from DAL)
    Rachats de contrats
    Enfoui
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2173 000 000 $64 332 567 $630 500 $2 650 000 $8 667 433 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 6
    7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    UFA - 7
    Puljujarvi, Jesse
    925 000 $925 000 $
    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance350 000 $$350K)
    AG
    UFA - 2
    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 300 000 $$2M)
    C
    UFA - 1
    925 000 $925 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 2
    825 000 $825 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    3 575 000 $3 575 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    4 300 000 $4 300 000 $
    AG, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    3 125 000 $3 125 000 $
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
    AD
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 4
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    4 650 400 $4 650 400 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 4
    5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 5
    4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 5
    3 375 000 $3 375 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    786 667 $786 667 $
    DD
    UFA - 4
    660 000 $660 000 $
    G
    UFA
    900 000 $900 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    2 916 667 $2 916 667 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1

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    7 juin 2016 à 16 h 57
    #1
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    Why in the world would Columbus do this? The only return is getting clarkson off the books.
    7 juin 2016 à 19 h 23
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    CGY
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    Take Bouma out and put Backlund into the deal and include a 2nd rounder
    7 juin 2016 à 19 h 48
    #3
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    I like the prospect of trading up for 3rd overall, but definitely not at cost of taking Clarkson. Remember, Clarkson has an NMC so he would have to be protected in the expansion draft. Arguably it's still the worst contract in hockey
    7 juin 2016 à 20 h 6
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    Yeah Baby
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    Only way I'd want the Flames to take on Clarkson is if:

    1) CLB retained some of his salary, so that he's roughly $4 million against Calgary's cap
    2) If it's possible to do so, he'd have to sign a waiver where he agrees to waive his NMC in the event of any expansion draft during the life of the contract.

    Even still, taking on that toxic contract would be completely frightening, and probably shouldn't be done. But without those two conditions it's a complete non-starter.


    All this is over complicated anyways. A trade up from 6th overall to 3rd overall should just simply be at the cost of two of our second round picks. Anything more is just ridiculous nonsense. Go back and look at all the drafts since the 2005 lock out. Moving up 1-4 spots in the first round doesn't cost top prospects or NHL players.
    7 juin 2016 à 22 h 32
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    The difference is the time it would take to develop a prospect vs immediate help prospect. Look that trade is garbage for the CBJ.
    8 juin 2016 à 10 h 9
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    I believe the NHL has stated that NMC's are void in the expansion draft (if or when) - only players safe are ones protected or with 2 years or less as pro's.... So lets hope the NHL approves expansion for both Quebec and Vegas this year as waiting 1-3 years would expose more of our young players....

    As for this team... I'm going with BurnEmUp - trading up should cost 1 or 2 2nd round picks or maybe a really late 1st.... That being said the second tear in this years draft (picks 4-7) is not that bad... Not 100% sold on the value of the 2 Fins... If Calgary can get Tkachuk / Dubois / Nylander / or Juolevi I will be happy... Both the Fins are playing with men and thus there development is closer to peaking while all 4 I listed have lots of upside!

    Calgary should keep there picks this year... Stock the cupboards and look to get ride of some bad contracts and 2017 UFA's while bringing in some 2016 UFA to fill in our weak spots... RW and Goal...
    8 juin 2016 à 16 h 4
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    Quoting: trdeJong
    I believe the NHL has stated that NMC's are void in the expansion draft (if or when) - only players safe are ones protected or with 2 years or less as pro's.... So lets hope the NHL approves expansion for both Quebec and Vegas this year as waiting 1-3 years would expose more of our young players....

    As for this team... I'm going with BurnEmUp - trading up should cost 1 or 2 2nd round picks or maybe a really late 1st.... That being said the second tear in this years draft (picks 4-7) is not that bad... Not 100% sold on the value of the 2 Fins... If Calgary can get Tkachuk / Dubois / Nylander / or Juolevi I will be happy... Both the Fins are playing with men and thus there development is closer to peaking while all 4 I listed have lots of upside!

    Calgary should keep there picks this year... Stock the cupboards and look to get ride of some bad contracts and 2017 UFA's while bringing in some 2016 UFA to fill in our weak spots... RW and Goal...


    When discussing trading up, it's important to note that no team in the top 10 has traded up since Toronto traded up from 7 to 5 in 2008. There's a reason for this - teams have realized that the typical tier drop after 1-3 and sometimes 4-5 is almost never a good gamble for a few extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd. Therefore if Calgary were to trade up from 6 to 3 I think the deal would have to be more complex than just throwing in a few 2nds and 3rds. True, that's generally how trade-ups work, but in the mid-round 1st and later, when the tiers become more of a wash and it's a better gamble to just stockpile picks.

    Actually, all reports are that NMCs are NOT void in the expansion draft, in fact they are automatically protected in the draft and even worse take up one of your protected slots. It was negotiated with the PA. The only NMCs exempt from this are ones that are impending free agents at time of the draft (ie. Wideman).
    9 juin 2016 à 20 h 9
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    Mr.
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    When I created this.
    I seen the CBJ trade as 6th OA + Mangiapane for 3rd.
    THe Flames taking on Clarksons contract at full vlaue to save columbus money and getting Rychel for doing that.
    The rights to colborne really being a pot sweetner. You could subistitue his rights for a second or third round pick. See if CBJ wants that. I Do realize CBJ is looking for a centre though.
    So probably the conversation is gonna surround Bennett or Backlund... If that's teh case BT should simply hang up.
     
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