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Just a couple wingers

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Équipe: 2019-20 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 5 avr. 2019
Publié: 5 avr. 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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This team isn’t as bad as they are made out to be, if they grab a couple wingers they can easily make the playoffs and then some, provided their goaltending plays league average, btw I am completely guessing on lower level RFA resignings because I don’t follow the team that closely. I didn’t want to put a ton of thought into dumping Sekera’s contract so I just showed that he gets dumped and the cost isn’t pretty but they just gotta bite the bullet, the D core now looks pretty good but not amazing, my thought though is that Bouchard should come in after another year and that’s when they can really contend
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EDM
    Whatever someone will give for them, idc just need the cap
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    1. Johnsson, Andreas [Droits de RFA]
    2. Kapanen, Kasperi [Droits de RFA]
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    1. Bear, Ethan
    2. Puljujärvi, Jesse
    3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (EDM)
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    This one is gonna be tough in the comments because no one knows what Pulijarvi real value is atm, but to me he definitely still holds decent value and so the leaf likely replace johnsson with Pulijarvi and pickup a talented young defender for Kappy and get a second to right the value a little bit while saving a ton of cap
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    1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2019 (NJD)
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    1. Sekera, Andrej
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
    3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (EDM)
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    As I said in the description I didn’t wanna put a ton of thought into this trade but I am just showing that they gotta dump him and should be willing to give up a first because I am that confident in this team
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    5 avr. 2019 à 16 h 6
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    Don't think Toronto takes this deal. JP has no value, Kapanen/Johnsson are probably both worth a late 1st rounder if they don't get resigned. I would think Toronto would keep at least 1 if they can. Bear doesn't have enough value to get one of these guys.

    Sekera doesn't need a sweetener to be traded. Personally I would keep him because he has the highest hockey IQ on defence on the team. I'd keep Benning too because it forces us to keep Bouchard and Bear for more seasoning in the minors.
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    5 avr. 2019 à 16 h 10
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    Quoting: ConnorsCousin
    Don't think Toronto takes this deal. JP has no value, Kapanen/Johnsson are probably both worth a late 1st rounder if they don't get resigned. I would think Toronto would keep at least 1 if they can. Bear doesn't have enough value to get one of these guys.

    Sekera doesn't need a sweetener to be traded. Personally I would keep him because he has the highest hockey IQ on defence on the team. I'd keep Benning too because it forces us to keep Bouchard and Bear for more seasoning in the minors.


    Bouchard needs more time, sekera definitely costs to move, a lot. JP certainly has some value, and Bear has to be worth about Johnsson, so JP and a 2nd for Kappy is kind of the thought there
    5 avr. 2019 à 16 h 42
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    Quoting: Hackadart
    Bouchard needs more time, sekera definitely costs to move, a lot. JP certainly has some value, and Bear has to be worth about Johnsson, so JP and a 2nd for Kappy is kind of the thought there


    Let Me first by stating i hate the leafs and believe RHd have alot more value then wingers. That being said we dont live on a planet wear Bear is worth johnsson. He is a late round pick and proved nothing so far. He is not worth trading because one leafs need cheap defense and has to prove something before he has value. I think i actually would rather have Johnsson then kapanen.
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    5 avr. 2019 à 16 h 51
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    Let Me first by stating i hate the leafs and believe RHd have alot more value then wingers. That being said we dont live on a planet wear Bear is worth johnsson. He is a late round pick and proved nothing so far. He is not worth trading because one leafs need cheap defense and has to prove something before he has value. I think i actually would rather have Johnsson then kapanen.


    I am a Leaf fan and I can tell you Kappy is better than Johnsson and younger so johnsson has far less value, and Ok maybe I am over valuing Bear, what do you think would have to be added to make that trade work?
    5 avr. 2019 à 16 h 54
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    Quoting: Hackadart
    sekera definitely costs to move, a lot.


    No.
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    5 avr. 2019 à 17 h 34
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    Leaf fans should stick to Leaf AGMs

    How bad do you think Sekera is??
    5 avr. 2019 à 17 h 46
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    Quoting: RWellington
    Leaf fans should stick to Leaf AGMs

    How bad do you think Sekera is??


    As I said I didn’t put any thought into that trade just showing I would dump him for whatever it costs
    5 avr. 2019 à 17 h 47
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    No.


    Lol ok keep him, and watch him playing 20 mediocre games a year for 5.5 mil
    5 avr. 2019 à 17 h 53
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    As I said I didn’t put any thought into that trade just showing I would dump him for whatever it costs


    No that fact was obvious..... but do you actually watch Oilers games. My guess is no and its because youve chosen to leave certain players on the roster while throwing Sekera under the bus

    Sekera is absolutely an option for cap savings however there a quite a few names to consider before such as Russell / Lucic / Gagner / Manning
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    Quoting: RWellington
    No that fact was obvious..... but do you actually watch Oilers games. My guess is no and its because youve chosen to leave certain players on the roster while throwing Sekera under the bus

    Sekera is absolutely an option for cap savings however there a quite a few names to consider before such as Russell / Lucic / Gagner / Manning


    Russell was my other thought, but Looch would be too much to move, I did move manning and Gagner isn’t worth moving considering a similar player could be had for probably 1.75 so you can save what 2 mil? Nothing compared to the 5.5 saved from sekera
    5 avr. 2019 à 18 h 12
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    Quoting: Hackadart
    Russell was my other thought, but Looch would be too much to move, I did move manning and Gagner isn’t worth moving considering a similar player could be had for probably 1.75 so you can save what 2 mil? Nothing compared to the 5.5 saved from sekera


    That $2M you speak of regarding Gags is where you find $$ in order to pay top 6 wingers and a RHD like Myers.
    EDM cannot mortgage the future by trading 1st & 2nd round picks as sweeteners. If they are trading top end picks they will be for impact players.
    A sekera trade will likely bring a $3-4M dollar contract back resulting in minor cap savings. Similar deals for Russell & Gagner would also result in minor cap savings.

    On a side note and i've noticed other poster mention this but Sekera is going to require a sweetener however he will likely bring back a less than ideal contract back (Dale Wiese as an example)
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    5 avr. 2019 à 18 h 14
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    Quoting: RWellington
    That $2M you speak of regarding Gags is where you find $$ in order to pay top 6 wingers and a RHD like Myers.
    EDM cannot mortgage the future by trading 1st & 2nd round picks as sweeteners. If they are trading top end picks they will be for impact players.
    A sekera trade will likely bring a $3-4M dollar contract back resulting in minor cap savings. Similar deals for Russell & Gagner would also result in minor cap savings.

    On a side note and i've noticed other poster mention this but Sekera is going to require a sweetener however he will likely bring back a less than ideal contract back (Dale Wiese as an example)


    In order to not take back a contract it will cost a lot, if it’s not a first fine, as I said I didn’t make that trade with exact value in mind, I just made it to say whatever it costs to completely dump him is what I’d give
    5 avr. 2019 à 19 h 8
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    Edmonton likely doesn't qualify Rattie or Rieder, and Chiasson, Petrovich, Gravel, and Stolarz all have expiring contracts. Khaira and Puljujarvi have expiring contracts as well, but both will be qualified. That represents $8,461,250 in free cap space. If the cap does jump to $83,500,000, as you've predicted, the new GM will have $12,461,250 in cap space. The GM will also have at least six contracts to negotiate, the minimum need would probably be something like one veteran back-up goaltender, one top-4 right-handed defenseman, a top-six forward, the two expiring RFA's worth hanging onto, and a depth forward.

    Khaira and Puljujarvi are the RFA's worth hanging onto. Khaira has arbitration rights, so his next contract is likely going to be heavily based on the numbers paid to similar players. I'm going to guess his new salary will be somewhere between $1,400,000 and $1,700,000. Puljujarvi can be qualified with a 5% increase over his current contract. His current base salary is $925,000 and he receives an annual signing bonus $92,500. If we combine the two and multiply by 1.05 we get $1,068,375, which is reasonable to expect given his performance to date. Chiasson is a guy the Oilers should try to bring back as the depth forward. If they do, I think they can expect to pay between $1,500,000 and $2,500,000. If we use the higher numbers, and round-up Puljujarvi's projected salary, the new GM is going to use $5,300,000 of his cap space on those three guys.

    The GM now has $7,161,250 and still needs a goaltender and a top-4 defender, and a top six forward. The defender is going to cost at least $4,500,000, and goaltender will probably run him between $1,500,000 and $2,500,000. The GM may be right up against the cap and still not have the forward they need. The GM will also need to pay at least one rookie defenseman, and maybe even a rookie forward. That could cost $1,975,000. Some salary is going to have to be shed.

    Lucic is not going anywhere, his contract is buyout-proof and no opposing GM is going to take it on in order to help the Oilers. Lucic will retire an Oiler and we all just have to accept that. The goaltending is looking shaky, but there is no point in trying to move Koskinen. His performance has been such that there is likely little interest in him anyway. So its the defense that probably provides the best opportunity to relieve salary pressure without doing serious harm to the organization's aspirations.

    Moving Klefbom would require some kind of blockbuster deal, which is unlikely. Edmonton can't afford to trade Larsson, and there is a significant risk that they will lose on any deal involving Nurse. That leaves Benning and the two old guys. I'd be okay with shipping out Benning, but only if the GM was able to get something decent in return. That won't help the situation unless the GM is cagey enough to somehow convince another GM that Benning is worth a good top-six forward who is paid around $2,000,000. Not many players like that around, and GMs tend to hang onto them jealously.

    I would not trade Sekera unless I could get something reasonable in return. Sekera's performance, despite his injuries, has trended as should have been expected. Klefbom and Nurse should surpass him as they develop and he ages. That is what has happened, and Sekera still continues to provide value. He is a smart veteran player who can make plays and get the puck to the forwards consistently and efficiently. He has also been reasonably effective in supporting younger players, and that should be a critical role for him next season. $5,500,000 is too much to pay a bottom pair defenseman, but that salary was set when the player was the best guy available to the team. Besides, Sekera still has the potential to play on the second pair.

    In comparison, Kris Russell is often a disaster with the puck, he quite often winds up flattened by opposing forwards, and is very often caught out of position. His shot blocking acumen is a requirement because there is usually so much chaos when he is on the ice defending. Now all of this criticism is a bit unfair because Russell has been playing on the right side of the second pair, not his natural position, and against competition he can no longer keep up with. He would likely do quite fine on the bottom pair, but he will never be able to move the puck and make plays the way Sekera can. $4,000,000, while less than $5,500,000, is still too much to pay a bottom pair guy. Russell has been a great soldier, but in my mind he is the odd man out and the primary target for relieving salary pressure. As a depth defenseman, I think Edmonton will have to keep salary in order to move Russell. If Someone will agree to take him in exchange for a 3rd, or 4th round pick in either the 2020, or 2021 draft and with Edmonton retaining say $1,250,000, I say do it.

    Now, with most of Russell's salary gone, and with the money left after signing the RFA's, Chiasson, a top-4 RHD, and a veteran back-up goaltender, the GM now has an opportunity to keep a rookie like Caleb Jones around, but he should not be expected to ride the pine. A guy like Benning either drops to the depth position, or becomes expendable in order to give the more talented rookie ice time. If the GM can move Benning for a good return, there is a possibility that a guy like Gravel gets another contract. The combined salaries of Jones and Benning's replacement are unlikely to exceed the $1,900,000 Edmonton is paying Benning. That's important, because the GM has to avoid having the rookie eat up the limited cap space. That limited cap space should now be close to $3,000,000, or perhaps even as much as $4,200,000 (if Khaira, Puljujarvi, and Chiasson give the team a discount). That amount is certainly enough to attract a player like Brandon Pirri, or maybe even Joonas Donskoi. Both would be big upgrades over the likes of Rieder, Rattie, Puljujarvi (to date), Caggiula, Chiasson, and Gagner. And if it’s $4,200,000, there is even enough room to keep Marody, Benson, Yamamoto, or another rookie as well.
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    7 avr. 2019 à 18 h 19
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    Lol ok keep him, and watch him playing 20 mediocre games a year for 5.5 mil


    He's healthy, I expect top-4 minutes and production from him going forward. But my original comment - NO - was based on this: I don't believe Sekera would cost that much to move and if he does the team could get $3.5M cap space by buying him out + another $2M by buying out Gagner. There's your $5.5M to sign Myers and you've kept the 2 high picks. Anyhow, the difference between Sekera and Myers is not a 1st and a 2nd IMO.
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    7 avr. 2019 à 18 h 26
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    Khaira and Puljujarvi are the RFA's worth hanging onto. Khaira has arbitration rights, so his next contract is likely going to be heavily based on the numbers paid to similar players. I'm going to guess his new salary will be somewhere between $1,400,000 and $1,700,000. Puljujarvi can be qualified with a 5% increase over his current contract. His current base salary is $925,000 and he receives an annual signing bonus $92,500. If we combine the two and multiply by 1.05 we get $1,068,375, which is reasonable to expect given his performance to date. Chiasson is a guy the Oilers should try to bring back as the depth forward. If they do, I think they can expect to pay between $1,500,000 and $2,500,000. If we use the higher numbers, and round-up Puljujarvi's projected salary, the new GM is going to use $5,300,000 of his cap space on those three guys.


    Excellent post. One nit:

    https://www.capfriendly.com/qualifying-offer-calculator/jesse-puljujarvi
    7 avr. 2019 à 22 h 58
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    He's healthy, I expect top-4 minutes and production from him going forward. But my original comment - NO - was based on this: I don't believe Sekera would cost that much to move and if he does the team could get $3.5M cap space by buying him out + another $2M by buying out Gagner. There's your $5.5M to sign Myers and you've kept the 2 high picks. Anyhow, the difference between Sekera and Myers is not a 1st and a 2nd IMO.


    Idk why people can’t read when I write “I didn’t put thought into this, just showing that I would dump him for whatever it costs” I am not saying it would cost a first and I second, I am just saying it would cost something that oilers fans won’t want to give up but I would do it anyways cause that contract is bad and that player isn’t great even when he is healthy which is rare
    8 avr. 2019 à 6 h 44
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    Idk why people can’t read when I write “I didn’t put thought into this, just showing that I would dump him for whatever it costs” I am not saying it would cost a first and I second, I am just saying it would cost something that oilers fans won’t want to give up but I would do it anyways cause that contract is bad and that player isn’t great even when he is healthy which is rare


    I did read your team explanation, which is why I replied. If you freely admit that you "don’t follow the team that closely" and "I didn’t want to put a ton of thought into (this)" then why are you still arguing with me? I DID put thought into my comments.

    The OIlers are not concerned about "dumping" Sekera's contract, he is a top-4 defenseman who can provide valuable cover in the case of injury or act as a mentor to the many young defenders set to join the Oilers roster soon: Persson, Jones, Bouchard and Bear in particular. It's not a "bad" contract as you state, the fact that he has barely played over the past 2 seasons was due to an dirty knee-on-knee hit by Getzlaf in the playoffs 2 years ago - a move than swung the momentum in the Ducks favor. Why did he target Sekera? Because Sekera was the Oilers best defender, that's why.

    And, as I already pointed out, if the new GM does decide to dump Sekera he won't be forced to make a move like you suggest above - or anything similarly painful - he could just buy him out. That saves $3M for each of the next 2 years for the cost of $1.5M over the following 2.
    8 avr. 2019 à 11 h 21
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    I did read your team explanation, which is why I replied. If you freely admit that you "don’t follow the team that closely" and "I didn’t want to put a ton of thought into (this)" then why are you still arguing with me? I DID put thought into my comments.

    The OIlers are not concerned about "dumping" Sekera's contract, he is a top-4 defenseman who can provide valuable cover in the case of injury or act as a mentor to the many young defenders set to join the Oilers roster soon: Persson, Jones, Bouchard and Bear in particular. It's not a "bad" contract as you state, the fact that he has barely played over the past 2 seasons was due to an dirty knee-on-knee hit by Getzlaf in the playoffs 2 years ago - a move than swung the momentum in the Ducks favor. Why did he target Sekera? Because Sekera was the Oilers best defender, that's why.

    And, as I already pointed out, if the new GM does decide to dump Sekera he won't be forced to make a move like you suggest above - or anything similarly painful - he could just buy him out. That saves $3M for each of the next 2 years for the cost of $1.5M over the following 2.


    Yes they could buy him out instead but I’m still arguing you because you don’t seem to realize that a a 32 y.o with 60 games 12 points and a -12 spread over the last two seasons making 5.5 is a horrible contract regardless of how the injuries started if it was a dirty play or not doesn’t matter he is an injury plagued 32 y.o who hasn’t even been good when he has been back, and when I say I don’t follow them that much I mean I don’t watch every game so idk how much their 4th line LW is gonna be worth, i still know hockey and know enough about this team that these trades made them significantly better
    8 avr. 2019 à 11 h 27
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    Yes they could buy him out instead but I’m still arguing you because you don’t seem to realize that a a 32 y.o with 60 games 12 points and a -12 spread over the last two seasons making 5.5 is a horrible contract regardless of how the injuries started if it was a dirty play or not doesn’t matter he is an injury plagued 32 y.o who hasn’t even been good when he has been back, and when I say I don’t follow them that much I mean I don’t watch every game so idk how much their 4th line LW is gonna be worth, i still know hockey and know enough about this team that these trades made them significantly better


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