Doesn't make sense for EDM unless they trade RNH does it?

it could if they decide to put him on the wing. It would also allow them flexibility to put RNH with McDavid and Draisaitl in situations where they are trailing in games.

I think the trade is okay, but that Marner contract needs to get jacked up significantly, or the term reduced drastically.

Everytime... Marner is not getting more than 10.5. ever. EVER. Can't wait till his fricken contract is signed so we can stop seeing stuff like this.

sure. and I read leafs fans saying, ohhh, Matthews won't get much more than the Eichel deal. That's the best comparison. He won't get close to McDavid money. 8 years and 10.5. Then he gets 11.634 for 5 years, which, in reality, is far more than McDavid money seeing how it only buys out one UFA year. And then you have Marner, who doesn't miss games, has outproduced Matthews, and pretty frequently looks like the leafs best player. Why is he going to take so much less than Matthews? Out of the goodness of his heart? Keep in mind that the reported price for Matthews for an 8 year deal was 13.8. I agree that he'll take slightly less than Matthews, but if it's going to be 10.5 million, it will be 5 years. Here is how I see the options shaking out, at least from the Marner camp perspective.
1 year: 8 million
2 years: 8.5
3 years: 9
5 years: 10.5
6 years: 11
7 years: 11.5
8 years: 12

Two, very simple reasons:

1) Wingers don't make what centers do, ever, league wide, that's a fact. That I hope we can agree on, yes? Matthews is a Center, Marner is a winger.
2) Goals are the premium, and guys who score get paid more than play-makers, agreed? Matthews outscores Marner badly.

Based on those two simple reasons alone, Marner will not make a much as Matthews. Only 1 winger makes more than 10 in the NHL, ONE. not 3, not 10, not 20, ONE guy.

Anywhere from 9-10.5 is the reasonable range at whatever years of term they agree on. How can you argue Marner deserves more than Kuch? even pro-rate Kucherovs contract and it's something around 10.5. Which makes 10.5 the absolute ceiling. There's no logical way you can argue that Marner gets more than Kuch.

Kucherov is in a state where there is no income tax, that is how! Plus, Dubas has backed himself into a corner again by signing Matthews to so much. Marner's camp can easily argue that Marner is as valuable to the Leafs as Matthews. And there is precedent for a winger signing for what a C does...Toews and Kane.

couple things. First, I agreed that Matthews would make more. All of the contracts I laid out were less than Matthews made, except for the 8 year deal. Second, you can't just say that would be fine for, "whatever term." Term matters. Kind of a lot. It matters even more when you're buying out UFA years. 5 years at 10 for Marner is completely reasonable I think, and it seems like you agree. 8 years for 10 is just not going to cut it.

Dude why do you troll leaf boards all the time? always trying to over inflate stuff and call everyone an idiot. Good ole Bruins fan allowing us to live rent free in your head all day long.

I say whatever term because I think the cap number they come to is somehwere between 9-10.5, then they decide the term. So for example Dubas would say "We want to pay you 9, how many years would you sign for at that?" Then Marner would say whatever maybe 2 for example. Then Dubas asks how many years would you sign for at 10.5? Marner would say maybe 5.

What I mean is the cap number is going to be between 9-10.5 and the term is decided based on that, not the other way around. You get me?

Okay so Kane Toews, one example in the entire league. ONE. Only Ovechkin has outscored Matthews since Matthews came into the league, why do people see that as such an overpayment... He's the leagues second best goal scorer since 2016. How is that contract seen as so bad? Would it have been nice to get more years? absolutely. But it's not a bad deal.

ya i totally understand that and think that's totally reasonable. however my comment in this post was about this particular contract, which isn't 5x10.5, or 2x9. It is 8x10. That isn't reasonable. If you want to say that Marner won't get more than 10.5, I think I agree with you, because I don't think he's signing for max term. I can however agree that 5x10.5 is reasonable and say that 8x10 is a joke. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Recency bias.
Cap is going up. New contracts get done for more than comparable players signed a year ago.
Nylander is exhibit A.
I can see Brayden Point and Marner both taking the Matthews route of 5 years x $11M.
As for playmakers versus goal scorers - who is worth more: Draisaitl or McDavid? McDavid has fewer goals, but he's the one who drives play. Marner less than McDavid, and I know McDavid is a center, but wingers who drive play can get paid too.
$10.5 as a ceiling is funny. Draisaitl's AAV is $11.3M and that was 2 years ago.

I'm not saying you are wrong with that point but Marner can say that he plays all 82 games while Matthews has been missing 15-20 recently.

when did i call anyone an idiot here. I just disagree with what I think is a pipe dream contract. I tell bruins fans the exact same thing when they low ball a free agent deal....which happens all the time.

Beat the bruins in a playoff series once in my lifetime, then maybe leafs fans can say they're in bruins fans head. They've just been a first round punching bag lately, so maybe hold off on the trash talk until you have something to gloat about other than regular season wins.

Draisatls cap hit is 8.5, explain to me how the draisatl comment is relevant?

And you can't compare Mcdavid to anyone else in the league, he's one of a kind.

But to quash your Mcdavid Draisatl argument anyways, how many of Draisatls goals are assisted by Mcdavid? Tons. Up until this year Marner and Matthews never played together. So you could argue that Draisatl is a product of Mcdavid to some degree while Matthews is not at all a product of Marner. Yeah wingers who drive play can get paid but they just don't. Gaudreau, under 8, Kucherov under 10, Ovechkin (arguably greatest goal scorer of all time) under 10, hall under 7, wheeler under 9. Like it's just not happening.

Regarding the Kane Toews contracts. Kane got the same number as a wing because he is way better then Toews. In the Matthews vs Marner comparison that is not the case. Marner will sign for 9-10.5 range depending on the number of years.

Btw....on the Marner looking like the leafs best player thing......Marner right now isn’t there best player, Tavares is and he is being paid 11 for 7. It is totally realistic that Marner signs for less then Tavares, maybe 6 x 10

Totally agree with everything you said here. Just be ready to get shredded by the trolls now lol.

So as for this proposed trade and lineup.

I LOVE IT!!!

Makes leafs defence better.......works within cap.......makes sense that marleau plays 3rd line center.........oil line up would be

McDavid, RNH, BROWN

Draistle, kadri + someone

Those two in particular troll and flame all leaf posts.

he has nothing else to contribute

Could 1 year for 8 then in January extend it at 8 12's work for him?

the trade doesn't solve the leafs cap problem, even if is fair trade.

I don't understand much of your logic here. Marner might want compare his salary to Matthews but maybe the new contact of Carolina's Aho or Kuchervov would be better comparison. if you are comparing teammates Matthews and marner, shouldn't Tampa show Point the Kuchervov contract for the league's best player. Kucherov makes 9.5m next season, so shouldn't Point get 6.5m, if you're comparing teammates

So, Point should sign for less than Nylander got?
He needs to fire his agent if the suggestion is yes (even if it is state income tax free).
Looking at the history of % of salary cap, 11% of $82M salary cap would be around $9M AAV.
I don't see either signing for under $10M AAV unless it's a bridge deal (a la PK Subban) - but young stars have been moving away from those when they can leverage it (like Nylander).
It will be an interesting summer.

yes it going to interesting. there seems to no "rules" now for signing rfas. for every overpaid one, you know some other players are going to get less than what they expected or even deserve.