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Équipe: 2018-19 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 22 janv. 2019
Publié: 25 janv. 2019
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After some discussion on here....changing my mind on Schneider. I know some people wont like Kyrou being traded, but there are some that still think Bob is an elite goalie... and if you are of that ilk it will take that to get him. Feel free to disagree, just trying to be realistic and unbiased. Just playing around with the others. Let's be honest, we probably cant trade Steen no matter how much we want to. Maybe resign Gunnar to give Lauzon a year or two to acclimate himself to the NHL. But I know he is close and could possibly play regularly next year. Play nice please!
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CBJ
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Kyrou, Jordan
  3. Schmaltz, Jordan
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Kyrou is contingent on Bob signing extension with the trade. If no extension, then lower tier prospect. Not sure who...Stevens/Walman
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CAR
  1. Edmundson, Joel
  2. Fabbri, Robby
  3. Schenn, Brayden
Détails additionnels:
Edmundson expendable with Lil and Gardiner. Has regressed this year and would trade him over Dunn. Dunn has more upside, younger, plays on PP, still somewhat physical
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  1. Blais, Samuel
Détails additionnels:
Not sure this is enough, but can add another prospect or draft pick along with if not. This just adds more young depth on the left side ready to take over when Gunnar leaves.
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  1. Gardiner, Jake
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
  3. Liljegren, Timothy
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
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1st rd pick is conditional to Alex P signing an extension next year. I dont want Zaitsev and that contract, at all. They will probably lose Gardiner anyway and to be honest i dont think he would be a bad dman to keep anyway. We need more depth on the left side. Especially with Dunn and Edmundson regression this year.
TOR
  1. Pietrangelo, Alex
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (STL)
Détails additionnels:
3rd rd pick is conditional on Gardiner signing an extension
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STL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (WSH)
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25 janv. 2019 à 9 h 56
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Couple of counters to this I don't think Montreal accepts. Bouwmeester might provide a little bit of talent they would rather try for Edmundson or Dunn. I love the Toronto trade. Bobrovsky not so much. We are giving up so much for a Half-Year Rental. I wouldn't give up Kyrou in that deal maybe a 3rd. I think you are overpaying for Hamilton. Schenn+ a little extra could get the job done. I think Edmundson and Fabbri and add in a pick and a smaller prospect. Not so sure Boston wants Blais knowing they have a lot of WIngers.
25 janv. 2019 à 10 h 5
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Couple of counters to this I don't think Montreal accepts. Bouwmeester might provide a little bit of talent they would rather try for Edmundson or Dunn. I love the Toronto trade. Bobrovsky not so much. We are giving up so much for a Half-Year Rental. I wouldn't give up Kyrou in that deal maybe a 3rd. I think you are overpaying for Hamilton. Schenn+ a little extra could get the job done. I think Edmundson and Fabbri and add in a pick and a smaller prospect. Not so sure Boston wants Blais knowing they have a lot of WIngers.


To me, I think Jaybo is going to be traded for a 3rd to someone. I just picked Montreal cause they need D, but so do a lot of other teams.

Kyrou is ONLY given up if we can sign him, if not, then a lower prospect like Stevens. People have said Schmaltz, but I dont think his value is that high.

I was really thinking about the Hamilton deal.... Just figured Edmundson was expendable with Gardiner, Lauzon coming in. But I agree with you. Ferland was added to try and make it more even, plus he would add more depth.. if we are able to trade Steen this would be ideal. I think we all know Schenn is going to be traded.... just didnt think Schenn and a prospect was enough, but all for it if it does. If it is, you can still use Edmundson for trade bait somewhere else.

I really like the Lauzon kid, dont think it would take too much to get him, I'm all for changing that to someone else.
25 janv. 2019 à 10 h 21
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To add.... the addition of Kapanen, Kasperi makes Kyrou hit a little easier... still have Koston waiting in the wings..
25 janv. 2019 à 11 h 36
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I can't imagine that is a trade Montreal accepts.
25 janv. 2019 à 11 h 41
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I can't imagine that is a trade Montreal accepts.


Make it a 4th... again, i know Jaybo will be traded. Montreal needs D, just threw that in there. Doesnt have to be Montreal either. Jaybo has played great for about a month now, if he keeps it up i think we can get a third from someone
25 janv. 2019 à 11 h 52
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Make it a 4th... again, i know Jaybo will be traded. Montreal needs D, just threw that in there. Doesnt have to be Montreal either. Jaybo has played great for about a month now, if he keeps it up i think we can get a third from someone


You should probably change the team as Montreal has no interest at all in rentals.
25 janv. 2019 à 13 h 13
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You should probably change the team as Montreal has no interest at all in rentals.


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25 janv. 2019 à 15 h 58
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No on the Carolina trade. Also quick note, Dunn hasn't regressed. Not sure why people think he has. He might make some boneheaded plays sure, but he's our best offensive defenseman. Not sure why the Leafs give up Gardiner cause he's a rental (or why we get him) and moving Kyrou for Bob is a non starter.
25 janv. 2019 à 16 h 53
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No on the Carolina trade. Also quick note, Dunn hasn't regressed. Not sure why people think he has. He might make some boneheaded plays sure, but he's our best offensive defenseman. Not sure why the Leafs give up Gardiner cause he's a rental (or why we get him) and moving Kyrou for Bob is a non starter.


Completely agree with the Dunn statement. I just read something where the analytics show that Dunn has actually improved a little over last year. Yes bonehead and lazy plays, but overall better. Another reason I chose Edmundson. I get the Carolina trade as well, i did say it may be a little of an over payment. But as @BeastModeUnknown says, maybe concentrate just on Hamilton and do Schenn+

The Gardiner thing... that's a matter of opinion. Right now it's no secret we are weak at LD. I like Dunn, but Edmundson I'm not to sure about, your probably losing Jaybo and gunnar. Small possibility on bringing Gunnar back on a very short term deal, but regardless we need some depth. Why would Toronto get rid of him? They may not be able to resign him with their cap situation. Why would we take him? See the need for depth on the left side, of course I would hope for an extension.

Bobrosky. I get this one would be a hot topic because of Kyrou. To each their own on the goalie situation. Some people want to dump Allen and just ride Binnie. Some want to dump Allen and replace with another "middle of the road" goalie. Some want to bring in a veteran to play a couple year to give time for Binnie and Husso (maybe even Fitzpatrick) to develop and see what they can do. My opinion - if you can get an elite goalie when you've been searching for an answer in goal for.... well, forever.. then you do it. Again, giving up Kyrou would be if you re-sign him. If you dont, then you give less. IF you can get an elite goalie, you are going to have to give to get. The addition of Kapanen would soften the blow on this as well. I like Kyrou and I hope he turns out, but you cannot depend on your top prospects to develop into elite talent. We've been there and done that many times to. If there is one thing that is the Achilles heel of the Blues, it's goaltending. You have to have consistent goaltending in this league if you are going to win and we havent had it for years.

If no Bob, then i vote for bringing in a veteran to hold the fort while the youngsters develop and hope (the for the umpteenth time) that one of them turn out.
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Completely agree with the Dunn statement. I just read something where the analytics show that Dunn has actually improved a little over last year. Yes bonehead and lazy plays, but overall better. Another reason I chose Edmundson. I get the Carolina trade as well, i did say it may be a little of an over payment. But as @BeastModeUnknown says, maybe concentrate just on Hamilton and do Schenn+

The Gardiner thing... that's a matter of opinion. Right now it's no secret we are weak at LD. I like Dunn, but Edmundson I'm not to sure about, your probably losing Jaybo and gunnar. Small possibility on bringing Gunnar back on a very short term deal, but regardless we need some depth. Why would Toronto get rid of him? They may not be able to resign him with their cap situation. Why would we take him? See the need for depth on the left side, of course I would hope for an extension.

Bobrosky. I get this one would be a hot topic because of Kyrou. To each their own on the goalie situation. Some people want to dump Allen and just ride Binnie. Some want to dump Allen and replace with another "middle of the road" goalie. Some want to bring in a veteran to play a couple year to give time for Binnie and Husso (maybe even Fitzpatrick) to develop and see what they can do. My opinion - if you can get an elite goalie when you've been searching for an answer in goal for.... well, forever.. then you do it. Again, giving up Kyrou would be if you re-sign him. If you dont, then you give less. IF you can get an elite goalie, you are going to have to give to get. The addition of Kapanen would soften the blow on this as well. I like Kyrou and I hope he turns out, but you cannot depend on your top prospects to develop into elite talent. We've been there and done that many times to. If there is one thing that is the Achilles heel of the Blues, it's goaltending. You have to have consistent goaltending in this league if you are going to win and we havent had it for years.

If no Bob, then i vote for bringing in a veteran to hold the fort while the youngsters develop and hope (the for the umpteenth time) that one of them turn out.


I think for Gardiner I'm okay with bringing him on, just not sure it's something Armstrong would do. Now what I should have said bout Bob is that I personally think we could get him for cheaper. I'm all for offloading Allen + 2nd rounder + a prospect or even Fabbri for Bob. I don't think it's going to take as much as people think to get Bob. I think they're in a position where over the next month everyone knows he isn't resigning so they're going to be in a bad position for leverage. At least here they get a possible starting goalie, a 2nd rounder and then a middle of the road prospect (or a reclamation project in Fabbri's case)
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