You'd need to pay other teams to take Weber, not the other way around.
In an isolated trade, it'd be Weber and your first for a c tier prospect. work from there.

How is a top pairing dman negative value? Your view on hockey player values is severely disoriented if you actually think that any GM in the league wouldnt want Weber on their team.

An ageing, injured Dman on an awful contract? who wouldn't want that? /s

Aging yes but even last year he still produced and played at an elite level, plus his game is as a shutdown defenceman, never depended on his speed, always his angles and positioning which is what will keep him playing. This is also his first real injury so dont see that being a problem. Then there is his contract, which really is only a cap hit for as long as you have him, he is on a backsliding contract that only pays him $3 million next year and the two years after before going down to $1 million and if he retires Nashville pays for it. So basically you have a cheap (in real dollars) top pairing defenceman for as long as you want him and when he calls it quits there isnt any consequences.

An ageing, injured Dman on an awful contract? who wouldn't want that? /s

And if he doesn't quit? How about if the injury bug continues to plague him? What about the fact that he is obviously declining? No gm is taking these risks, especially not for Nylander, Marleau, and Gardiner.

And if he doesn't quit? How about if the injury bug continues to plague him? What about the fact that he is obviously declining? No gm is taking these risks, especially not for Nylander, Marleau, and Gardiner.

Aging yes but even last year he still produced and played at an elite level, plus his game is as a shutdown defenceman, never depended on his speed, always his angles and positioning which is what will keep him playing. This is also his first real injury so dont see that being a problem. Then there is his contract, which really is only a cap hit for as long as you have him, he is on a backsliding contract that only pays him $3 million next year and the two years after before going down to $1 million and if he retires Nashville pays for it. So basically you have a cheap (in real dollars) top pairing defenceman for as long as you want him and when he calls it quits there isnt any consequences.

I agree with this point....the only problem, is the fact that Toronto can't afford this cap hit in 2019

this fool has probably never seen Weber play. babcock would die to get weber on his team. weber is a pure stud. and u talk about him aging? he's the same age as burns, suter, and big buff. his game is all about smarts. chara is 39 and stopped ur number 1 center in the playoffs because these are smart d men. they dont need to be fast. and have u ever heard of the cap recapture penalty? i bet u didnt cause if weber retired before 40. nashville is in trouble. they'll have to give a ton of assets to get weber back from mtl as in the cap recapture penalty the amount of money that was front loaded, which would be around 24mill dollars if im not mistaken, will go off nashville's salary cap if he's not listed on the roster. weber is better then any leafs d man. u prob would have gotten past the 1st rd last year if u had a defensemen that could actually play defense like weber. he's a number 1 defensemen in all terms. he's never been out of the top 10 in norris trophy votings for the past 7 years. no leafs player has been in the top for the norris in the past decade.
https://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2016/6/29/12061696/Salary-Cap-Recapture-Montreal-Canadiens-PK-Subban-Shea-Weber-Nashville-Predators--Flyers-Offer-Sheet
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2018/07/the-salary-cap-implications-of-a-shea-weber-early-retirement.html

also marleau has a nmc ntc. u cant buy him nor trade him.

Yes, I know that Marleau has a NMC, look at the trade, he wanted him included, hence my statement.

I agree that babs would want him now, but for how long? He has started to decline from his prime (as to be expected), He is badly injured, and relying on the guy retiring is a plan to fail. Add to all that is his contract. No one wants to pay 40 year old Weber 7.5 million on the cap. Saying you can just trade him is preposterous. You would have to find a cap floor team, and then sell the farm and your daughter to move him. Then add in the assets you want us to pay for him now? He is barely a number one D anymore, and while he is physical, the Leafs need speed and the ability to move the puck in their Dmen. The DFD is dying, TWD are taking over, this would be a counter productive move.

What I am saying in short, is that combined with his age, and his contract, the one or two good years you can squeeze out of Weber (assuming he doesn't get injured again) are not worth it, especially for that price. You have to remember, you aren't moving Weber, you are moving Weber's contract. Why do you think everyone laughed at you when Subban for Weber happened? Weber was a great Dman, Now he is a good one, but not for long, and not with that contract.

Try making this same trade with every other fan base. See how it goes.

Injury bug would imply that he has had continuos injuries (which he hasnt). 'obviously declining' - is just a dumb statement since he was actually playing the best hockey of his career before he got injured last year (scored as many goals as any leafs defenceman did last year while only playing 26 games) and if he doesnt quit then you do what every other team does and put him on LTIR or keep him around to mentor the young guys in the team (his leadership role is underrated among fans).

My argument isnt about the value of the trade, its your either uneducated or ignorant view of the player. The simple fact is that if you polled 31 GMs everyone of them would want him on thier team, the value of what it would cost to trade for him is another matter.

you legit have 0 clue about who he is. lmao. do some research.

And if he doesn't quit? How about if the injury bug continues to plague him? What about the fact that he is obviously declining? No gm is taking these risks, especially not for Nylander, Marleau, and Gardiner.

Marleau is 5 years older and makes almost as much thr next 2 years. Since Weber will be getting very little actual money, he very well could retire. Also could be compliance buyouts with next CBA in less than 3 years

If Weber did not have that contract then yes, every GM would want him on their team in some role. But he does, and they are inseparable. Goals are not everything in play, you do understand that right? And you call me ignorant... Christ look in a mirror.

Here is Weber's stat line for last year.

2017-18 32 MTL NHL 26 6 10 16 < (points) -8 <(plus minus) 14 4 2 0 1 6 3 1 75 8.0 163 659 25:21 0 0 59 66 7 31 < (this is give aways)
Saying he was playing the best in his career is absurd. He is still good, but he has declined from being great. He is slow, plays a physical game (which tends to beat you up faster), and is getting older, plus being injured. THEN YOU ADD IN HIS CONTRACT. He is a good Dman, on an awful contract.

Lets look at another example. Zaitzev has rebounded and looked good this year. Who is lining up to take him for full market value? Who is taking him without a compensatory pick? No one. Why? His contract.

I already threw out your contract argument, his cap hit is the biggest thing and there are still a number of teams (with cheap owners) that would love his contract so they could hit the cap floor without having to really pay him anything.

You realize how bad everyone in Montreal was last year right? If you actually watched the games you would know he was playing ridiculously well (even on a broken foot) and I know scoring goals isnt everything I just like that stat because it makes the Leafs look bad. Any defenceman that is playing in front of a goalie who is posting below a .900 save % will have a minus rating.

In the end your argument in that he has negative value on the trade market which is just not true and comparing him to Zaitzev is just stupid, even a decade older and Weber is still the better defenceman.

Yes, Weber is better than Zaitzev, they are still in a similar situation.

And you cannot just throw out Weber's contract as an argument. Literally the whole problem with him is that contract. The only way you trade him is when you have to pay a floor team to LTIRetire him. The Leafs won't take him now, and neither will anyone else. Go make this trade (with the same value of players going both ways) but for every other fan base. Just try. See what response you get. If you don't it shows you know I am right.[/quote

Pointing out facts with you is talking to a brick wall. His contract has no money left on it, its just the cap hit, if he retires Nashville pays it, and if he gets injured you just put him on LTIR and not have his full salary on the cap. If your trading Weber he is healthy, if he is healthy then you get a good return, not the return above (never thought that was the right value) but still a positive return. Your view that no GM in the league would take him is just idiotic, think like an actual NHL GM and consider everything Weber brings to the game, on the ice and off. Even the Leafs Babcock would love to have Weber on his team, he even said that if he had Weber they would win the cup. You keep coming back to this specific trade value which isnt accurate.

Go on and ask every NHL GM in the league if they would want him on thier team, go on, if you dont it shows you know I am right.

Nice counter argument. Addressed nothing I said. What I said was that he is a good Dman, when healthy. He is physical, and can shut down a top line. He is also slow, and is struggling to move the puck as well as he used to. He is in decline, be that due to age, injury, who cares, it is a fact that he is. No one is taking a declining player with that contract.
https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/w/webersh01.html