Leafs need all the cap space for next year. Leafs would be carrying one 4.5m PB into next year, so I can't see the Leafs doing it. Doubtful the Leafs giving up so much one year rentals, would any team?

I agree they do need cap space, but you do this deal Only if you believe your team can win the Stanley Cup by adding these guys....if you're adding both Panarin and Hammer to this team, especially two guys with ....you go from #2-3 in the Atlantic (maybe #2 in the ATL).....

If Toronto disappoints and is a wildcard team struggling to fend off teams like Florida, and maybe Buffalo from behind.....then the answer is no..... it all depends on the feel and tempo for the season by the deadline.

Sorry, I don't think these guys but the Leafs over the top. Hammer he isn't that special now. Murray has never been special. Panarin has he put Columbus over the top? I ask again especially with that Panarin deal, does any team offer so much of there future for a one year rental? And don't dismiss that cap. It means you have to get rid of Nylander or Kadri next season.

You hardly give up anything in these trades

Hes been in Columbus for 1 year and you are giving up nothing for him in this trade

leafs fans so overate there own players neither of those trades are even close to fair.

i agree with that statement

and on the top of that....why boosting Offence where we are packed already and are heading to Salary Cap Scylla and Charybdis......

I didn't overrate the Leaf, Two of the three players that were traded to the Leafs aren't any better than what the Leafs have now. It's the overrating of any Dmen being traded to the Leafs is so silly.

I know you're just a Leaf hater.....Show my what your Sabres would give up for Panarin, and we'll see what who overrates their players..

Buffalo fans, Bills make the playoff, and they trade for Skinner, and now they think know the value of other teams players.

MTL127 posted a Dallas/Panarin trade 10 hours ago, trading a lot less to obtain Panarin. It was evaluated by neutral fans that Dallas was giving up way too much. By comparison this Panarin trade is a vast overpayment by the Leafs, but of course it isn't being elevated by neutral fans.

I actually respectively disagree with @palhal. Only for the fact that these trades are trading the future. Thesee trades are not even close.

Kapanen is good but hes not a Panarin, Grundstrom wont ever exceed the 3rd line. And Woll is a great goalie prospect but that's all he is, a shot in the dark and with him being a goalie the dark is pitch black then sure you add a 1st but it should be a bottom 5 1st round pick. When trading for an elite winger and a good D guy that just needs a change of scenery on my opinion you need to give up more then that.

Trading Bracco for hammer is not even close. You probably need to add either a roster player or another B prospect.

Now what I do agree with (cause it'd be a fact) is thsee moves would push the bonuses to next year and the Leafs just can't afford that. They need all the cap they can get for next year.

My guess would be our own 1st and reinhart

You are asking for an 80 point player for a guy who has done nothing. Players drafted in the first round are expected to contribute within 2-3 years now. Those that dont largely dont succeed. I think the leafs are a very good team with a ton of young talent. Kapanen isn't it.

How many roster players and 1st round picks moved in the Skinner deal?

If you are the team trading Panarin you're not looking to replace him, you can't. You're looking to get the best deal you can or you lose him for nothing.
Good teams, the kind like Toronto, that want Panarin for one year, like Skinner in Buffalo (they're not a good team however) , aren't going to gut their roster for one shot at the title. Kapanen ++ is too much to pay regardless of the return on a rental.

There are still teams like Boston, that believe what the rest of you believe, that you have to throw everything on the table for a rental like Nash. That deal was classic NHL horrible and while we have seen those deals for years, things are changing as quality GMs, like Botterhill, make moves that make sense.

Bracco and a 1st is about the best offer you'd see from the Leafs for Panarin and that would be contingent on trading Horton to avoid bonus problems with the cap.

Panarin > skinner

Of course. Same principles apply however. Assuming you're a Buffalo fan, and your team just gave up a mediocre package for a 50-60 point guy in Skinner, why then would you give up your former 2nd overall with years of control left and what could most likely be a lottery pick for one year of a 70-80 point winger?

Wouldn't a Sabres GM get fired for making that deal? Giving up Reinhart and probably a 10 top pick for a one year rental. Only value for the Sabres would be if would they could get by flipping Panarin at TDL

I would assume I'd have an extension

Reinhart and a first for Panarin?? Are out out of your MOTHERF****** MIND?? Even with an extension, which wouldn't be the case because Panarin wants to be in a bigger market.

The question was what it would take

No extension was assumed in this post.