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Forum: Armchair-GM18 avr. à 23 h 10
Sujet: Another Skinner Buyout Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>That’s more than any team should pay for him. And that’s keeping in mind He has a relatively team friendly contract. You could argue that Keller is a top line forward on just about any team that tries to trade for him, but a basically top 10 first round pick, a top 20 prospect in the league, and a young productive right handed defender with team control should get you any second line player in his mid 20s that you want. If not Keller, that should be Crouse, right?</div></div>

It’s More than what they should pay, but, it’s also what it would take to pry him lose. Utah won’t give him away for cheap, and they don’t want to, and if he’s available, there will be plenty of suitors.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 mars à 0 h 29
Sujet: Buffalo are only couple pieces away from being a threat
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Canucks33</b></div><div>Is a new coach not the first thing Buffalo should be looking for?</div></div>

Honestly, I think Granato is a good coach, but I think the issue is the assistants and the roster. There are too many friends of the coach and GM on the staff and as result, there’s a lack of experience behind the bench.

The team rallied back into the playoff race behind their coach, they certainly haven’t quit on him, and I think he’s done what he can we what he was given. The star players on this team that are well paid have just not been executing, it’s a down year for several guys from a shooting standpoint, and now although we added to the D and solidified it, we now are in dire need of a third line center,

But the bigger issue is the GM. Granato has to coach the team that he was given, and the biggest mistake of the offseason was Adams doing to little to nothing to add to they roster when it needed help, especially when Jack Quinn went down.

Not to mention, the owner won’t do it. The biggest problem of all is the owner.

If they fire Don Granato, they’ll end up with Seth Appert as coach. Thats the Terry Pegula way, because he doesn’t want to pay multiple coaches to not coach.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 mars à 0 h 24
Sujet: Buffalo are only couple pieces away from being a threat
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yotes269</b></div><div>That’ll be an aggressive decline from everyone. Arizona isn’t selling Keller, a major reason the Yotes didn’t draft Benson was he’s too similar to Keller, Buffalo isn’t going to go after him as they have a player who can develop into him</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigDog91</b></div><div>Having similar elite players isn’t a problem. A guy who can put up ppg without linemates would be huge add. Sabres have one of the tallest and heaviest lineups in the league right now. So it wouldn’t be huge deal for them and league is changing making it easier for smaller players.
Sabres need goals and Keller would help even out the lines.</div></div>

Getting Quinn back healthy would help a ton in the goals department, and they need to now address third line center, Keller unfortunately doesn’t help there. And if our third line next season is Benson, Savoie and Peterka, we’re not making the playoffs with that. That line will get rolled defensively at the NHL level.

Buffalo has a lot of big players on their team, but a lot of those aren’t gonna be confused for Todd Bertuzzi any time soon. Power, Thompson, Tuch, Samuelsson, these guys are not overly physical players despite their size. Greenway is only is the only guy who comes close to playing that type of game, and even he leaves a lot to be desired for. After him,
Probably Cozens, Dahlin, Krebs and Clifton, but in this deal, Krebs and Clifton are getting dealt.

I think it’s an appropriate price for Keller, and Keller is a hell of a player, but I dont think Arizona does it, and I don’t think Buffalo parts with their major assets for that. They’d be more likely to do it for Crouse, but it’s because guys like Crouse are rare in the NHL
Forum: Armchair-GM11 mars à 1 h 50
Sujet: Sabres 4th Line Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>That's probably the ask. I'd have to think about it, I do believe that we are missing a physical element, but holy hell that's a lot. At that point is it cheaper to try to move up and draft lindstrom in this draft.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Quinn Savoie 2025 1st ?</div></div>

I’m at a loss of which one it would be, and which one would Arizona want.

I feel Arizona doesn’t want to continually sell off for youth anymore and would want to try to be good, they may want Quinn in the deal because you know he can play in the NHL and have somewhat of an idea of what he can be. If you’re getting a couple kids in the deal, like Kulich and Ostlund, or Savoie and Rosen, you don’t know what they’re going to be.

One thing that is interesting is that with Arizona, Andre Tourigny was Jack Quinn’s junior coach, and I don’t think he’s getting fired quite yet, but the connection is there.

I’d start with Kulich and Rosen and then keep adding as needed. I think they’re going to want a center/NHL ready prospect in return if he does get moved.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 mars à 1 h 38
Sujet: Sabres 4th Line Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JLance</b></div><div>that price will never be paid. the offense is nowhere near the value of that return.

I don't have a problem using Savoie or Kulich 1 for 1. If not, I also don't have a problem moving on.

Getting Will Carrier back in the org as a UFA offers far more value than losing a 1st, Quinn and Savoie.</div></div>

The offense he brings, which historically has been 20-25 goal range may not value the return, but honestly, guys like Crouse are rare. Very difficult to even name guys who are similar. Guys like these command immense value because they are so rare. Any top nine, forget top six, top nine F that plays with grit, physicality, and tenacity are always in high demand and valued by playoff teams. This is why the Flyers want a first for Scott Laughton, and why Barclay Goodrow got a first.

The main thing about Crouse that makes him worth a massive price that you can’t forget though is that he doesn’t have a no-trade clause, and the Sabres and any perennial bottom dweller can take a stab at him with no resistance form the player, plus he’s young and cost-controllled, which makes him coveted by contenders as well.

29 teams are looking for a player like Lawson Crouse, a big power winger who is hard to play against, great defensively, plays in any situation, and will drop the gloves.

You might be right, the price of Quinn, Savoie and a first or whatever it will take may never get paid. You’re spot on there, but if that’s the case, he likely won’t get moved. Guys aren’t lining up to play in Arizona any more than Buffalo.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 mars à 1 h 24
Sujet: Sabres 4th Line Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stadel</b></div><div>Kind of a dense comment tbh. This is like me saying UPL is franchise goalie because has a higher save percentage this year than Shesterkin. It's technically true but completely ignores context and nuance.

Crouse's career high in points is what, 45? I think Tage had that vs Columbus last year.


TLDR: The fact that every top six forward on the Sabres is struggling and is on their last healthy bone doesnt suddenly mean Crouse is better than what he is.</div></div>

I’m a big Crouse fan, and I would pay a massive price to get him, but Quite honestly,he does have shortfalls, plenty of them actually. He doesn’t drive possession, he while he leaves a lot to be desired for on the power play, but I think he’s been a pretty consistent 20-25 goal scorer in the league.

If you’re trading for Crouse, you’re trading for the rare game he plays with the size, speed, and grit and toughness combination. He’s a rare middle-six power winger, who is a strong defensive forward and hard to play against, and that’s something a lot of teams don’t have.

He checks a lot of boxes for a lot of team needs, and it’s going to be a massive price to get him out him Arizona, especially considering that he doesn’t have a no-trade clause, and Buffalo tends to be on a lot of those lists
Forum: Armchair-GM2 mars à 22 h 14
Sujet: trade ideas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Not a chance Buffalo does that</div></div>

Depends on how Buffalo values Laughton. If you think he’s worth a number one pick to your team, then sure. It’s a fair deal, but only if you feel Rosen isn’t going to be a top six forward in the league on your end but Philly does.

Krebs is also no longer a top prospect IMO, he’s still young and has upside, shows flashes, but he hasn’t been able to escape the fourth line, and he had higher expectations. He’s worth a second round pick as a reclamation project.

So basically this deal is a first round pick and second for Laughton with two more years left. Sure I’d consider that, and he changes the make up of your bottom six. I like the idea of a third line with him and Greenway on it. Very hard to play against, something the Sabres need to be.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 févr. à 5 h 19
Sujet: Laughton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gretzkyghosts</b></div><div>At the age of 24 Laughton played in 188 NHL games and scored 19 goals and 47 points.
At the age of 23 Krebs played in 188 NHL games and scored 19 goals and 59 points.
In two years Krebs will be a younger, cheaper Laughton, while Laughton will not be a Sabre.

This is a very bad trade for Buffalo</div></div>


Not necessarily. .

Fundamental difference here is that one guy (Laughton) saw his ice time increase steady by his age 23 season, where as Krebs has since his ice time reduced and has gone backwards. He hasn’t been given a bigger role and more minutes and has been stuck with Girgensons and Okposo for the past year and a half.

As you said, Krebs is the player that you hope Laughton can be, actually, to be fair, you hope he can be more than Laughton, but Laughton is a realistic goal.

The problem is with Krebs, while he may have similar numbers to Krebs up to his age 23 season, Laughton took off afterwards and maintained a steady upward trajectory as a 30-40 pt third line winger, but he was able to do that when he went from 11 to 14-15 mins a night.

But with Krebs, for some reason, has seen the opposite. His ice time has been reduced since he’s been here and for some reason, the coaching staff and Granato has not been willing to promote him.

What it comes down to is, do you want to expedite the process of Krebs someday becoming a solid third liner, or is he destined to be a fourth line forward forever?

With Laughton, you know what you’re getting, and the Sabres are not in a position to wait for potential anymore.

If anything, the trade is not enough to get him, because Krebs is no longer worth the first rounder it will take to get Laughton.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 févr. à 12 h 43
Sujet: Adams Time
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Absolute overkill on the Philly trade, not worth it at all</div></div>

I don’t think it’s overkill, both guys will command a lot on the trade market. Krebs doesn’t really have that first round pick stand alone value anymore. He’s really more of a reclamation project at this point. He’s worth probably a second rounder. Laughton will command a first.

Mittelstadt is not someone I’d be trading right now. First he’s the only forward we have that consistently produces, and second, he loves it here and wants to be here. The trade above doesn’t return enough either.

The team should re-sign Mitts and then trade Skinner @50% or look at buying him out. I think the best of Skinner is behind him. While he can still score 25/30, we have to remember he is 32. It won’t get better from here.