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Habs say no to Galchenyuk trade

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This is crazy - why are Hawks fans so eager to get rid of Hossa? Hossa's contract DOES NOT HINDER BOWMAN OR THE HAWKS SALARY CAP POSITION AT ALL..

Bowman can spend Hossa's cap hit this summer because teams can go 10% over the salary cap in the summer just as long as they're cap compliant come the first day of the regular season and they will be because Hossa will be placed on LTIR..... So Hossa's cap hit is basically moot at this point - it's like his cap hit doesn't exist this summer...

The only reason to trade Hossa would be to help another team out so they can circumvent the cap floor or save $$$$$..... Hossa's contract is basically a "4.275 cap & cash savings coupon"........ And since Hossa's contract doesn't affect the Hawks cap situation at all (they have 5.275 more cap space than officially listed because teams can go 10% over the salary cap in the off-season/summer) they have absolutely no reason to trade him unless they're getting an asset in return..

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq#offseason

"Can LTIR be used in the off-season?

Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days."

So basically a team will need to give up an asset if they want to use Hossa's contract as a "cap coupon" because Hossa's cap hit does not affect the Hawks cap situation at all.... Like I said it's basically like Hossa is on LTIR during the off-season so they can use that 5.275 to sign free agents...

The Hawks don't HAVE to move Hossa's contract, but it sure makes it a lot easier to manage the cap without him.

As far as the Hawks getting "an asset" for Hossa's contract I think you're a little mistaken. Take a look at the Pronger, Bolland, Datsyuk deals that Arizona has made for cap hits.
Pronger deal was Grossman for Gagner. Basically a wash.
Bolland deal was Lawson Crouse (11th overall) for 2 third round picks. Clearly in Arizona's favor.
Datsyuk deal was 16th OA for 20th OA and 53rd OA. Nearly a wash.

If a deal is made with Arizona to move Hossa's contract is made its going to end up being basically a wash. Like a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick for Hossa. Maybe that's what you meant by asset but I personally don't think anything after a 3rd round pick is an asset.

Hossa's contract does not affect the Hawks cap situation at all - Bowman can spend Hossa's entire cap hit this summer....... The Hawks have 5.275M more to spend then what capfriendly has officially listed because players cant "officially" be placed on LTIR during the summer but teams CAN GO 10% OVER THE SALARY CAP as long as teams are cap compliant come the first day of the season - which the Hawks will be - because Hossa is going on LTIR the first day of the season........... SO Hossa's cap hit really doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.... The Hawks can use Hossa's "cap hit" to sign other players...

So yes, Hossa's contract has value - the difference between Hossa and Pronger (and the rest) is the fact Hossa's salary is 1 million dollars but he carries a 5.275 cap hit, which would basically allow a team to circumvent the cap floor by 5.275 - Hossa's contract would allow a team to literally save 4.275 million in real cash money)......So teams are not doing the Hawks ANY favors by taking Hossa off Bowmans hands. It would be Bowman doing a team a favor if he decided to trade Hossa to a team interested....... Hossa is basically a "4.275M cap coupon"......... What is 4.275M worth? IDK, but considering Bowman doesn't need to trade Hossa I would suspect perhaps a 2nd round pick? maybe more? I know budget teams would be interested........ He would certainly be a nice "sweetener" in a trade...

Look, the point is that Hossa is not a burden to the Hawks cap situation and the Hawks don't need to pay a team to take his contract because the Hawks can spend his cap hit this summer so....... If a team wants him then fine, take what you can get but his 1M salary and 5.275 cap hit with a significant raise in the salary cap this summer (hence the cap floor) would be awfully appealing to a team like Carolina, Arizona or even Ottawa..

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq#offseason

"Can LTIR be used in the off-season?

Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed."

@HawksFan28
Thanks. I can read.

But you clearly have no clue that Pronger was owed $575,000 salary for 2 years when his contract was trade to Arizona. His contract was MUCH more valueable to the Coyotes than Hossa's would be. If you can do the math that's a larger "cap coupon" as you like to call it than Hossa's is and the cap was less back then.
In the case of Datsyuk, Arizona literally didn't have to pay a dime of salary to have him on their books. Yet they got next to nothing out of the trade with Detroit.

As far as Hossa having ZERO implications on the cap as you so desperately want to get across you're missing the point. YES the hawks can go over the cap by 10% and then place him on LTIR to be cap compliant. BUT this will drastically reduce their ability to recall players during the season. If you are over the cap by Hossa's cap hit at the start of the season (6.6%) and you place him on LTIR at that point to become cap compliant, that's all great and dandy until you want to send someone down/bring someone up. If the person you are sending down had a $750,000 cap hit for example but you want to bring someone up on a maximum ELC ($925,000) you CAN'T. Not only that but if someone with a $750,000 contract gets injured mid season, you cannot bring anyone up that has a contract higher than $750,000.

This is the exact reason Bowman didn't spend over the cap last offseason.

THERE ARE CAP IMPLICATION. So again, the Hawks don't HAVE to move Hossa's contract, but it is beneficial to them to move it.

The Hawks don't have to trade Hossa, so I laugh at people that propose trades like the Hawks sending pick 27 with Hossa to get rid of him..... Not going to happen.

The Hawks will have space to send down and promote players that's the beautiful thing about ELC's ... Sure the Hawks need a little bit of leeway but not 5.275...

You can bet Bowman will be spending 5 million of that this summer.....

Look, Bowman has A LOT of flexibility this summer and you can bet Anisimov will be traded in a package for a top 4 defenseman (think Faulk or someone similar).... And say the Hawks did trade Anisimov for Faulk - well they solved one issue right there without using any cap space so they still have 16.5 million dollars to sign a couple of bottom 6 veteran two-way forwards, a #5 defenseman and possibly a #2 LW and a legitimate backup goalie..... Yea, 16.5 million can get it done...

The Hawks aren't nearly as screwed as some ignorantly believe they are...

The Hawks will be a very good team next season....

In none of my comments did I once say that the hawks aren't going to have salary cap space to make big moves this summer. I know the Hawks cap situation. They are in a good position.

You're clearly missing the entire point of my comments. If they are over the cap $1 prior to the season start and use Hossa LTIR to get below the cap they are limiting their ability to call-up whoever they want. The Hawks would get $1 of LTIR relief for the entire season on the Hossa contract. Not the entire $5.275M to use whenever they want. The season opening LTIR only brings the team down to the cap and then that players LTIR is stuck at whatever that may be for the rest of the season.
It doesn't matter if a player is on an ELC. If the player you want to call up has a ELC but his salary is higher than the player you want to send down YOU CANT do it. That is how LTIR works. It doesn't change once you set it at the begining of the year.

Here's an example:
Cap is set at $80M for the season. Hawks spend $81,500,000 on players utilizing a small portion ($1,500,000) of the 10% buffer allowed in the summer. The Hawks then place Hossa on LTIR to start the season in order to be cap compliant. They now have a cap hit of $80M and get $1,500,000 in LTIR cap relief from Hossa going on LTIR.
Now lets say a roster player, Player A, with a cap hit of $750,000 gets injured and has to go on LTIR during the season. The Hawks will obviously want to bring someone up to fill his spot. They want to bring up Player B who is on an ELC with a cap hit of $925,000. The Hawks only get $750,000 in LTIR cap relief from Player A so they cannot bring up Player B. They do not get more cap relief from Hossa's LTIR because his was season opening LTIR and is not variable from the $1,500,000 that was set to start the season. The team must replace Player A with a player of the same or lesser cap hit.

No they're not limiting themselves with whom they call up or send down.... Most of the guys they will call up and send down will be on ELC's so the cap hit is interchangeable... The only guys that would count are those on 2-way contracts, but they count against the cap anyway..

There will be no issue there..... Yes, I'm sure Bowman will save some breathing room, but not 5.275 million in breathing room - you can count on at least 4 million of that being spent..

Hossa's LTIR cap credit will basically be used to replace him (not that you can replace a Hossa)...

The Hawks would have no more issue calling up and sending guys down than if Hossa was on the team - think about it that way..

No matter who the Hawks call up or send down they will get 850k either way...... So for example if they send down a guy making 1.2 million and recall a player making 850k then that would cost 350k against the cap...... The Hawks don't need 5.275 in breathing room...... The guys the Hawks will be recalling and demoting wont have that big of salaries to begin with.... So roster moves with Rockford wont be an issue.

You literally do not get how LTIR works. It's more complicated than you think. But I'm done trying to explain. If you want to actually know what you're talking about go read the CBA.