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ST. LOUIS FANS: EPIC TRADE

Créé par: The_Architect
Équipe: 2017-18 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 15 mai 2018
Publié: 15 mai 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
Tavares, John
113 000 000 $
Stastny, Paul
19 000 000 $
Thornton, Joe
16 000 000 $
Green, Mike
15 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
STL
  1. Gallagher, Brendan (1 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Pacioretty, Max (2 000 000 $ retained)
  3. Scherbak, Nikita
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (MTL)
2.
MTL
  1. Carrier, Alexandre
  2. Trenin, Yakov
Détails additionnels:
Rights to Dante Fabbro
NSH
  1. Price, Carey (3 000 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
MTL will retain annually 3 mill of Price's 8 yr extension
3.
MTL
  1. MacDonald, Andrew
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (PHI)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (PHI)
4.
MTL
  1. Nylander, Alexander
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
Rights to Asplund
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2379 000 000 $78 392 776 $0 $405 000 $607 224 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 6
Tavares, John
13 000 000 $13 000 000 $
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 3
839 166 $839 166 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Stastny, Paul
9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
925 000 $925 000 $
C
UFA - 3
650 000 $650 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
Thornton, Joe
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
1 166 667 $1 166 667 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 3
912 500 $912 500 $
C
UFA - 1
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 5
775 000 $775 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AD, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
4 625 000 $4 625 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Green, Mike
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
700 000 $700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
748 333 $748 333 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
DG/DD
UFA - 3
688 333 $688 333 $ (Bonis de performance10 000 $$10K)
DD
UFA - 3
700 000 $700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
725 000 $725 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
863 333 $863 333 $
DD
UFA - 3
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2

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16 mai 2018 à 1 h 13
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Ya I'm sure HE was the one dragging the team down. It's evident the way he's playing with WIN.


But is it at STL?
16 mai 2018 à 1 h 15
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
But is it at STL?


No he is at the team who has a better Goalie, Byfuglien and Scheifele, Wheeler, Trouba just a little peak at the team name any non 1st line center that can beat Stastny on 2ND LINE
16 mai 2018 à 1 h 18
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Yes but not all goalies only play 123 games in the last 3 season.... most starters would be around 200 in the last 3 years......


Most starters get to play 180 in a year. Bad luck. Just like when Rinne missed almost 2 full consecutive seasons 6 yrs ago
16 mai 2018 à 1 h 22
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Quoting: The_Architect
Most starters get to play 180 in a year. Bad luck. Just like when Rinne missed almost 2 full consecutive seasons 6 yrs ago

Lol this dude said 6 yrs ago. The Ffff uck bro?
16 mai 2018 à 1 h 23
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Quoting: The_Architect
Most starters get to play 180 in a year. Bad luck. Just like when Rinne missed almost 2 full consecutive seasons 6 yrs ago

Yo they don’t even have 180 goddamn games in a season how the **** Can you hit 180 in a year?
16 mai 2018 à 1 h 27
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Quoting: The_Architect
Most starters get to play 180 in a year. Bad luck. Just like when Rinne missed almost 2 full consecutive seasons 6 yrs ago


Not just taking about Rinne but his two lowest were 43 because of the lockout where he played 22 in Europe and 24. Price’s lowest were 12, 41 and a 39 plus this year was 49. Most starters are consistently above 60 games a year, and a few even play close to or more then 70. Price did once at 72 game and only made 60 3 times in his career, while Rinne has played almost 60 games 8 times and had one season of 73.
16 mai 2018 à 1 h 28
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Most starters get to play 180 in a year. Bad luck. Just like when Rinne missed almost 2 full consecutive seasons 6 yrs ago


You need to start from
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16 mai 2018 à 1 h 29
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Yo they don’t even have 180 goddamn games in a season how the **** Can you hit 180 in a year?


Typo. What's the difference if it's now or 6 yrs ago? The point is his next 6 yrs were injury free. Just cause Price has missed 60 games in the last 3 yrs, doesn't mean he's done for the rest of his career.
16 mai 2018 à 1 h 32
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Typo. What's the difference if it's now or 6 yrs ago? The point is his next 6 yrs were injury free. Just cause Price has missed 60 games in the last 3 yrs, doesn't mean he's done for the rest of his career.


That’s almost a whole damn season bro. Not meaning his career is done. But Rinne has got his team to playoffs, Price hasnt
16 mai 2018 à 1 h 36
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Most starters get to play 180 in a year. Bad luck. Just like when Rinne missed almost 2 full consecutive seasons 6 yrs ago


Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Lol this dude said 6 yrs ago. The Ffff uck bro?


So to recount Price has one over 70, 4 around 60 and missed one season due to injury and had been a stable NHL goalie for 10 season. In the last 3 years played 123 games and 6 playoff games for a total of 129 games.

Rinne has one season over 70, 8 around 60 and missed one season due to injury and had been in the NHL for 10 years. In the last 3 years has played 186 regular season games and 49 playoff games for 235 game.
16 mai 2018 à 1 h 38
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
That’s almost a whole damn season bro. Not meaning his career is done. But Rinne has got his team to playoffs, Price hasnt


Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
That’s almost a whole damn season bro. Not meaning his career is done. But Rinne has got his team to playoffs, Price hasnt


Now you're just trolling. Every time the Habs made the playoffs was always cause of Price. NSH was always done so collectively.
16 mai 2018 à 2 h 0
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Quoting: Ajp_18
So to recount Price has one over 70, 4 around 60 and missed one season due to injury and had been a stable NHL goalie for 10 season. In the last 3 years played 123 games and 6 playoff games for a total of 129 games.

Rinne has one season over 70, 8 around 60 and missed one season due to injury and had been in the NHL for 10 years. In the last 3 years has played 186 regular season games and 49 playoff games for 235 game.


Rinne has only played 10 more games than Price in the 10 years they've both been playing pro. Price played 41 games in his 1st season, cause Cristobal Huet played the 1st half of that season, before being traded to Washington
16 mai 2018 à 2 h 7
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Rinne has only played 10 more games than Price in the 10 years they've both been playing pro. Price played 41 games in his 1st season, cause Cristobal Huet played the 1st half of that season, before being traded to Washington


So all in all. Nashville is trading for a star goalie just to trade the star goalie they already have?
16 mai 2018 à 2 h 30
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So all in all. Nashville is trading for a star goalie just to trade the star goalie they already have?


Yes and no. Price is 5 yrs younger. Rinne is on his last yr of contract and age catches up to everyone. Poile might decide to resign him on 1 year contracts till age creeps in, if it already hasn't. Unless Poile is fed up of the choke jobs and has lost faith.
16 mai 2018 à 2 h 33
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Petry is a 3-4 on a bad team, he’s be a 5-6 on a good team, on great d corse he’s a healthy scratch..... they’re even in my book, they’ve both put up great numbers, Rinne might choke but Price can’t stay healthy for any long stretch.....


LOL! Petry played #1D on Habs for most of the year and was adequate. With his skating, passing, shooting and smarts a #4D in a good D corps is the absolute lowest you could consider him as. I don't know which player you've been watching this year who you thought was Petry but he's been great for us.

Absurd proposals btw, mr Architect. Especially that STL one. Why not add Drouin, Poehling, Hudon, Tarasenko, Steen and a 4th round pick too now that we're at it.
16 mai 2018 à 4 h 49
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LOL! Petry played #1D on Habs for most of the year and was adequate. With his skating, passing, shooting and smarts a #4D in a good D corps is the absolute lowest you could consider him as. I don't know which player you've been watching this year who you thought was Petry but he's been great for us.

Absurd proposals btw, mr Architect. Especially that STL one. Why not add Drouin, Poehling, Hudon, Tarasenko, Steen and a 4th round pick too now that we're at it.


Cause Steen won't waive his NTCsquinty smile
16 mai 2018 à 5 h 7
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6th 1 star from here. These trades are so freaking bad that they look like these were made by Peter Chiarelli.

That STL trade... ehh, from my point of view, STL aren't in the win-now mode from their team's perspective, and they are waiting for their young future stars before going for their cup run. That became even more evident when they traded Stastny for future prospects. So why would they do this? They have one of the best prospect pools in the entire league that is going to shine in the league in 2 or 3 years. They'd be stupid as hell to trade them away, especially for assets players you suggested. Gallagher is overrated by every Habs fan in this league, Pacioretty isn't worth nearly as much as he was a year ago after having a worst season of his career, and Scherbak isn't even a proven NHL player when it comes to playing in a good team... And as a cherry to the top, after you had suggested emptying big part of their prospect pool, you give them a 3rd overall pick?
Why, if you considered getting some youth to your team, you'd give up the youngest and potentially the best part of your future away? It's so illogical. And taking that trade for Blues is illogical, it would tear their whole process of having a great prospects to pieces. Absolutely illogical.

NSH trade... yeah, no one will take that Price's horrid contract. If an over 10 million player that plays less than half of the games in the league from last 3 years, he is not worth to trade for, no matter how good of a player he is. Just too big of a risk, and a financial threat. And besides, I doubt that Preds can even afford to take him in a longer scale, even if you consider retaining a little under third from his salary. Kind of proves my point about him, his contract is so bad of a liability you'd agree to part 24 million bucks in 8 years from your team's salary cap just to get rid of him. So why would anyone take it?

PHI trade... Nah, the team has very young defensive core, so taking Petry might actually help. But not with that Price. Second and a third seems much more realistic than first and a second, when it comes to additions in the trade. Their contracts have no gap between them, and Petry isn't so much of a better player than McDonald is.

And the BUF trade... Well, I don't see why both of the participants of this trade would do this. At the state that Buffalo is in, taking Weber might not be in their interest just yet. Especially if it means to sell their better prospects. And from MTL's perspective, I think you could do better than that.
16 mai 2018 à 5 h 15
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Cause Steen won't waive his NTCsquinty smile


Ah, true. Maybe Berglund and Dunn then and balance it out with Juulsen. But seriously that's a stupid many moving pieces in that trade.
16 mai 2018 à 5 h 19
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Their contracts have no gap between them, and Petry isn't so much of a better player than McDonald is.


You make a lot of good points but I just want to correct you on this one: yes, Petry is that much better than McDonald.
16 mai 2018 à 5 h 35
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You make a lot of good points but I just want to correct you on this one: yes, Petry is that much better than McDonald.


Well okay, he is better. I can see Petry being a 2nd pair d, McDonald either the 3rd pair d or the 7th d.
16 mai 2018 à 7 h 36
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6th 1 star from here. These trades are so freaking bad that they look like these were made by Peter Chiarelli.

That STL trade... ehh, from my point of view, STL aren't in the win-now mode from their team's perspective, and they are waiting for their young future stars before going for their cup run. That became even more evident when they traded Stastny for future prospects. So why would they do this? They have one of the best prospect pools in the entire league that is going to shine in the league in 2 or 3 years. They'd be stupid as hell to trade them away, especially for assets players you suggested. Gallagher is overrated by every Habs fan in this league, Pacioretty isn't worth nearly as much as he was a year ago after having a worst season of his career, and Scherbak isn't even a proven NHL player when it comes to playing in a good team... And as a cherry to the top, after you had suggested emptying big part of their prospect pool, you give them a 3rd overall pick?
Why, if you considered getting some youth to your team, you'd give up the youngest and potentially the best part of your future away? It's so illogical. And taking that trade for Blues is illogical, it would tear their whole process of having a great prospects to pieces. Absolutely illogical.

NSH trade... yeah, no one will take that Price's horrid contract. If an over 10 million player that plays less than half of the games in the league from last 3 years, he is not worth to trade for, no matter how good of a player he is. Just too big of a risk, and a financial threat. And besides, I doubt that Preds can even afford to take him in a longer scale, even if you consider retaining a little under third from his salary. Kind of proves my point about him, his contract is so bad of a liability you'd agree to part 24 million bucks in 8 years from your team's salary cap just to get rid of him. So why would anyone take it?

PHI trade... Nah, the team has very young defensive core, so taking Petry might actually help. But not with that Price. Second and a third seems much more realistic than first and a second, when it comes to additions in the trade. Their contracts have no gap between them, and Petry isn't so much of a better player than McDonald is.

And the BUF trade... Well, I don't see why both of the participants of this trade would do this. At the state that Buffalo is in, taking Weber might not be in their interest just yet. Especially if it means to sell their better prospects. And from MTL's perspective, I think you could do better than that.


I agree with you about the Sabre trade, IMO MTL could do MUCH better, which is why I think Botterill will make the trade. Weber, Dahlin, Ristolainen on the same team, WOW! Because Dahlin is left handed but likes to play the right point this may make problems for Buffalo. Nylander has not adjusted to the professional game, Aspland I am told could be a really good checking forward and a 3rd sounds like a bargain to me.
16 mai 2018 à 7 h 42
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I am not sure why Weber is traded in so many posts. IMO MTL is a good center away from being a really good team. Why just offer prospects and picks for O'Reilly (2018 35th & 38th , Byron and Lindgren would do it for me), sign Pacioretty to a contract and I think Montreal is back in the play offs. IMO Nylander has not adjusted to the professional game, Aspland I am told could be a really good checking forward and a 3rd sounds like a bargain to me.
16 mai 2018 à 7 h 56
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16 mai 2018 à 8 h 26
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This post is absolutely hilarious lol I see points coming from all sides but I honestly laugh the most at the people who say MTL wins any of these trades.

To you Stlouis fans I get it, you think your future is gone, but frankly your adding what could be 60 goals and 100+ points to your second line and that’s not even including Scherbak and the 3rd overall pick.

Kyrou will be a top 6 forward, will he ever be as good as Pacioretty or Gallagher we won’t know for a couple years, what I can tell you is that both those players above never played in the CHL after the age of 18, Kyrou is 20 and in the CHL he should be putting up high point totals playing against 16 year olds.

Thomas is the biggest lose in that trade, other then that I wouldn’t say MTL really gets anything significant enough to justify sending them two 30 goal scorers in the NHL and a top 3 pick, especially with money retained lol

Might surprise some of you fans to know that Stlouis actually offered up a package that included Thomas, 1st round pick, Sobotka, and Allen for Price (no money retained). MTL said no.

Nashville trade is bad because again your not getting what you should get for Price, even with his contract he is still considered by most in the hockey world to be a top 3 goalie in the league. That should get you a teams top prospect, plus first round pick - significant roster player.

The Philly trade is just useless to both sides.

Buffalo would have to give up more for Weber, top pairing dman that will teach your young dman how to play real defence would be invaluable to them.
16 mai 2018 à 8 h 44
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All three of them are older. All have less chance than the prospects do.


I read through all three pages of this post and chose to quote this post because I think it is possibly the dumbest one of this thread. I know Stlouis gets ‘older’ in this trade but by like a year? Lol

Scherbak is 23, Gallagher 26, Pacioretty 29 and you draft a 18 year old. For a bunch of second round 20 year olds who haven’t made the show yet. Out of those prospects you have 1 blue chip guy that you know will make the NHL and that’s Thomas, and he isn’t even guaranteed anything in the NHL, he might be a top line 70 point guy or he might just be another 50 point center.

Getting proven assets will always be more valuable then the chance of mid level prospects. Getting those proven players at a good age is even more valuable, all three of these players are at a good age and under very friendly contracts. The day this trade gets made, St Louis wins it, a year from now Stlouis still wins this trade, five years from now they still win the trade, 10 years from now when Zadina is the only piece left St. Louis has still won this trade.
 
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