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Équipe: 2018-19 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 16 avr. 2018
Publié: 16 avr. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Habs rebuild and oilers become contenders​
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RFAANSCAP HIT
1925 000 $
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33 250 000 $
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43 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
2800 000 $
2800 000 $
1850 000 $
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EDM
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Pacioretty, Max
  3. Price, Carey
Détails additionnels:
Although Pacioretty and Byron are probably just a 1yr rental, getting an elite goalie plus a couple scoring wingers (and dumping Lucic's contract) makes the oils better now.. maybe 1 or both resign
MTL
  1. Draisaitl, Leon
  2. Lucic, Milan
  3. Talbot, Cam (2 000 000 $ retained)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (EDM)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
A centre the Habs can finally build around (and a couple picks for taking lucic)
Habs rebuild around Draisaitl, Drouin, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Mete and Lindgren
Flip Talbot at the deadline for picks
Lucic can provided some leadership and protection until he retires/gets bought out
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2478 000 000 $74 085 332 $0 $2 800 000 $3 914 668 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
4 050 000 $4 050 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 8
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
1 166 667 $1 166 667 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 3
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
AD
UFA - 1
650 000 $650 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
1 950 000 $1 950 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
675 000 $675 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
800 000 $800 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
800 000 $800 000 $
DG, AG
UFA
894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance230 000 $$230K)
AD
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Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
4 166 666 $4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 3
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 8
4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 3
1 062 500 $1 062 500 $
G
UFA - 1
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 3
720 000 $720 000 $ (Bonis de performance70 000 $$70K)
DD
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $
DD
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700 000 $700 000 $
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16 avr. 2018 à 16 h 37
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Right on but why are we retaining on Talbot modest 4 million cap hit vs prices? Haha holy that contract is worse then lucics!
16 avr. 2018 à 16 h 39
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WHY IS EVERYONE TRADING LUCIC TO MTL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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16 avr. 2018 à 16 h 41
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There’s no fair contract superstar coming Edmonton’s way. U have the bad contract going each way (Lucic and Price), and I can see Patches=Talbot+the picks.
But Drai>Carey Price, and Byron’s only makin up for Price’s terrible contract. My point is I think the Habs need to add a 2019 1st.
16 avr. 2018 à 16 h 43
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Quoting: Dylan1995
Right on but why are we retaining on Talbot modest 4 million cap hit vs prices? Haha holy that contract is worse then lucics!


The oils actually save money here 500000 cheaper even after retaining salary.. if the Habs are rebuilding they won't wanna have a team salary near the cap ceiling.
16 avr. 2018 à 16 h 46
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i'll only say this one last time and i honestly cant believe i have to state it

IF we trade Price 100% guaranteed we will not take a Goalie in the deal as the ONLY Motivation to move Price is if Niemi-Lindgren keep out playing Price like last year .
Plus we have Mcniven , Hawkey and Primeau in the mix with our 2 NCAA Goalies in the top 1/3rd of NCAA Goalies and Mcniven our Puck Mover about 3 years away from hitting his prime .


we have tons of reasons to move Price but trying to stick us with a **** back up goalie you paid like a 1st string guy is NEVER going to happen
it would be like you trading Mcdavid for Malkin or Kesler , it just sounds stupid because it is and we are already flipping Niemi we dont got time to try and polish a turd with Talbot
16 avr. 2018 à 16 h 47
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The oils actually save money here 500000 cheaper even after retaining salary.. if the Habs are rebuilding they won't wanna have a team salary near the cap ceiling.


Then signing paches for 6.5 that's 16.5 million in two people hitting 30 years old yikes no that's way to much an if we dont resign paches we get byron and price for drai lucic and a second like hell no bro
16 avr. 2018 à 16 h 55
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Quoting: BigBeardBurns
There’s no fair contract superstar coming Edmonton’s way. U have the bad contract going each way (Lucic and Price), and I can see Patches=Talbot+the picks.
But Drai>Carey Price, and Byron’s only makin up for Price’s terrible contract. My point is I think the Habs need to add a 2019 1st.


Yeah but lucic sucks and price is a premier goalie.
Draisaitl and Lucic's contracts add up to $14.5 mil Price is only $10.5 which means the oil save about $20mil over the next 7years
Draisaitl is expendable with McDavid Nuge Strome & Khaira manning the middle ice
16 avr. 2018 à 16 h 58
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i'll only say this one last time and i honestly cant believe i have to state it

IF we trade Price 100% guaranteed we will not take a Goalie in the deal as the ONLY Motivation to move Price is if Niemi-Lindgren keep out playing Price like last year .
Plus we have Mcniven , Hawkey and Primeau in the mix with our 2 NCAA Goalies in the top 1/3rd of NCAA Goalies and Mcniven our Puck Mover about 3 years away from hitting his prime .


we have tons of reasons to move Price but trying to stick us with a **** back up goalie you paid like a 1st string guy is NEVER going to happen
it would be like you trading Mcdavid for Malkin or Kesler , it just sounds stupid because it is and we are already flipping Niemi we dont got time to try and polish a turd with Talbot


Talbot is only there to be traded to another team.. he is a UFA. And since the oilers retained salary hewill be easy to trade for a pick or 2.. Lndgren starter with Talbot as backup. Niemi is a UFA (and he sucks) have won't resign him
16 avr. 2018 à 17 h 0
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Quoting: Dylan1995
Then signing paches for 6.5 that's 16.5 million in two people hitting 30 years old yikes no that's way to much an if we dont resign paches we get byron and price for drai lucic and a second like hell no bro


They save 500000 the first year but they free up about $9mil when free agency comes around-you're to sign patches
16 avr. 2018 à 17 h 21
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"Both Teams."

Yep. I clicked.
16 avr. 2018 à 17 h 25
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Drisatl
Lucic
2nd 2019
2nd 2021(conditional upon pacioretty and byron both re-signing )

Pacioretty
Byron
Price
and your pick Carr ,DLR,Mccarron or Fucale as kind of an added insurance incase Byron leaves as Carr has potential as does Fucale on a team that wont miss manage them like MTL has .(the other 2 are kind of a wash and at best career 4th liners /13th forwards like L.Shaw for example or on the higher end S.Thorton for BOS and FLA.)


EDM gets to dump lucic by tagging him to the Drisatl deal.
they add goal scoring and goaltending while re-investing in RNH as their #2 Center which is wise as its cheaper allowing EDM to build a depth Playoff Team as if they build off what the got they'll always be a strong top 6 team but lack the depth offensively , Cash to pay for a solid D or the money to lure in a solid goalie .

if VGK have shown us 1 thing this year its that you dont need to have a team full of top line all stars to be a dominate force plowing through teams on the way to a stanley cup.
you need depth in todays NHL and with that you need cap space
16 avr. 2018 à 17 h 28
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Modifié 16 avr. 2018 à 17 h 39
Quoting: Hiltop
Talbot is only there to be traded to another team.. he is a UFA. And since the oilers retained salary hewill be easy to trade for a pick or 2.. Lndgren starter with Talbot as backup. Niemi is a UFA (and he sucks) have won't resign him


Niemi in MTL has a .929 save % and a 2.64 GAA i believe it was in 19 games better then Talbot would do .

Niemi under the goalie coach who helped him prepare for a stanley cup run has been amazing here
i dont think you're a mtl fan if you dont appreciate Niemi as even though i disaree with their extreme's our
habs official page on FB is plastered with people saying keep Niemi trade Price


if Niemi sucked we wouldnt have traded you that hot garbage Montoya for a 4th pick (thanks again )
16 avr. 2018 à 17 h 32
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i'll only say this one last time and i honestly cant believe i have to state it

IF we trade Price 100% guaranteed we will not take a Goalie in the deal as the ONLY Motivation to move Price is if Niemi-Lindgren keep out playing Price like last year .
Plus we have Mcniven , Hawkey and Primeau in the mix with our 2 NCAA Goalies in the top 1/3rd of NCAA Goalies and Mcniven our Puck Mover about 3 years away from hitting his prime .


we have tons of reasons to move Price but trying to stick us with a **** back up goalie you paid like a 1st string guy is NEVER going to happen
it would be like you trading Mcdavid for Malkin or Kesler , it just sounds stupid because it is and we are already flipping Niemi we dont got time to try and polish a turd with Talbot


Dude, chill. He just gave us Draisaitl. The least we can do is take those awful contracts off their hands. We're not in a position to make demands. Worst case scenario, you send Talbot down the wavers and I'm 73% sure someone claims him.
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16 avr. 2018 à 17 h 36
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Dude, chill. He just gave us Draisaitl. The least we can do is take those awful contracts off their hands. We're not in a position to make demands. Worst case scenario, you send Talbot down the wavers and I'm 73% sure someone claims him.


no thats the most we can do , the least we can do is take Lucic not spread both cheeks and take every bad deal Chirelli's made and make it our problem
bad deal

talbot is hot garbage we want no part of
Niemi in 19 game here was 929% and 2.64 GAA (Talbot .908% and 3.02 GAA . . . not even our back up's back up has stats that low and our system is already full, no squaters needed)
16 avr. 2018 à 18 h 19
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WHY IS EVERYONE TRADING LUCIC TO MTL!!!!!!!!!!!!


cause some people just like to make trades though they should know most players won't waive mmc or ntc to out of playoffs teams. the trade is really lucic and draisaitl for price, the other short pieces don't have much meaning.
16 avr. 2018 à 18 h 47
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Lucic has 5 more years at $6M.
Price has 8 more years at $10.5M.

I wouldn't do a straight trade.
16 avr. 2018 à 18 h 59
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Lucic has 5 more years at $6M.
Price has 8 more years at $10.5M.

I wouldn't do a straight trade.


Lucic had 32 points this season, T47th among LW. That's the production of an average 2nd liner (31 first line LW / 31 second line LW, etc.). That's 47th out of 146 who played at least 10 games, or 68th percentile.

Price posted a 0.900 SP this season, 58th among 71 goalies goalies to play 10 games this season, or 18th percentile. That's among league worst back-up status, based on 31 starters and 31 back-ups.

IF he rebounds, blah blah blah. Don't expect anyone else to take on that risk. You signed the bad contract, you can keep it; we'll keep ours.
16 avr. 2018 à 19 h 12
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So...

"talbot is hot garbage we want no part of"
"price is a premier goalie"

2017-18
Talbot 31 W - 31 L - 3 OT - 3.02GAA - 0.908SP
Price 16 W - 26 L - 7 OT - 3.11GAA - 0.900SP

Past 3 years combined
Talbot 94 W - 80 L - 16 OT - 2.65GAA - 0.914SP
Price 63 W - 48 L - 12 OT - 2.56GAA - 0.915SP

Salary going forward
Talbot $4.17M x 1 year
Price $10.5M x 8 years

This thread is too funny! laugh
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16 avr. 2018 à 21 h 41
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So...

"talbot is hot garbage we want no part of"
"price is a premier goalie"

2017-18
Talbot 31 W - 31 L - 3 OT - 3.02GAA - 0.908SP
Price 16 W - 26 L - 7 OT - 3.11GAA - 0.900SP

Past 3 years combined
Talbot 94 W - 80 L - 16 OT - 2.65GAA - 0.914SP
Price 63 W - 48 L - 12 OT - 2.56GAA - 0.915SP

Salary going forward
Talbot $4.17M x 1 year
Price $10.5M x 8 years

This thread is too funny! laugh


Yup, so much talk of Elite goalie, Premier goalie.. Neither team has that currently. Could sign Hutton, Bernier and Talbot all for less then Price and one of the 3 will be better at any given time then Price was this year. Enjoy your DiPietro Contract!
17 avr. 2018 à 14 h 31
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Quoting: Billy739
no thats the most we can do , the least we can do is take Lucic not spread both cheeks and take every bad deal Chirelli's made and make it our problem
bad deal

talbot is hot garbage we want no part of
Niemi in 19 game here was 929% and 2.64 GAA (Talbot .908% and 3.02 GAA . . . not even our back up's back up has stats that low and our system is already full, no squaters needed)

Then you don't get the privilege of receiving Draisaitl, plain and simple. Ridiculous Habs fans like you give the rest of us a bad rep.
Talbot has ONE season left. Actually, if we want to get as finicky as you to use small sample sizes, he has performed best spectacularly as a backup.
2013-14 : 21gp, .941
2014-15: 36gp, .926

C. Talbot is a starter if you ask me. An inconsistent one with a bad year this season, but would do fine as a starter on a team with proper defense, something EDM lacked badly this season.

It's as if you also forget that EDM would be taking a huge risk with this deal, because nobody knows if Price will ever rebound due to one of chronic fatigue, concussion history, or knee injury history.

Final words: Stop overvaluing your own players and undervaluing other players. Stop looking to rob others in trades. If someone is giving you a 1C in the trade, you're not in position to spit in their face. There are 20 other teams in this league that need a legitimate 1C in Draisaitl.
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17 avr. 2018 à 14 h 34
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Verdict:

I'll do this trade with my eyes closed, and then ask you to hook me up with whatever you're smoking. No other GM is willing to take THAT much risk in Price. You're gambling that he rebounds (and if he does, you will look like a genius). But it's a heck of a gamble.
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