https://www.capfriendly.com/signings/all/all/defense/1-15/6500000-6750000 Again, Shattenkirk.

Which guys are taking these deals to win? are you talking the 30 plus year olds? which guys? What Juice says makes perfect sense, I'm not really talking dollar amounts more term than anything.

I envisioned myself being a Ranger from the moment I stepped on the ice as a kid," explained Shattenkirk shortly after agreeing to terms. "When you have the opportunity to fulfill a lifelong dream like this, and it might be an opportunity that only comes once in my career, I felt like this was my chance."

Were all those guys on your list the home town deals or just Shattenkirk?

I didn't realize you knew John Carlson and he was a life long Leaf Fan being an American.

Stamkos/Hedman/Kucherov
Crosby/Malkin
Holtby (If you compare him to what Price/Lundqvist/Rinne cost their teams)
Jamie Benn would have likely gotten more than $9.5 on the open market.

Even McDavid negotiated down with Edmonton last summer. Oilers offered him over $13m and he asked them to sign for less.

Again...we're not saying that you're wrong and we're right...simply saying they neither of us know for sure...there's examples on both sides so there's no point making any argument that isn't qualified with an "IMO"

July 2nd Bo Dangles and I are going to have friendly Arm Chair Beers.

Certainly cap wise it doesn't work. If Tanev is so good, please let him play for so other teams besides the Leafs. If defence is such as concern, that's 17m in forward UFA....some of them unneeded. Carlson I really can't see him signing with the Leafs. Sure Hyman is 40 point guy, not bad for a guy who never plays the PP.

Ok so it seems that Leaf fans don't want Tanev or Carlson and want to keep Hyman so here is a new idea (see trade above). i don't think this gets it done with Zaitsev as your 1RD but there isn't much out there that you could trade for. Weber maybe but MTL won't retain what you would want and a trade between TOR and MTL seems unlikely.

I will never understand what a # 1RHD is. Each Dman plays a number of shifts, so I find this rating system rather nonsensical. If the Leafs acquire a RHD, which I agree is somewhat needed it would to replace the Carrick/Polak combo. Would love to have Carlson but realistically there are too many suitors for his services. Leafs can certainly can live with Zaitsev and Hainsey next hear playing on the right side, admitting who played there also...could be Carrick or even Dermot. Thornton to Leafs, seems to a lot traction on this site, but does Thornton even a year left in him? And looking at how well San Jose is doing this year, what's his motivation to leave San Jose.
Gudas for Leivo makes sense, are both adequate NHLers? Weber is another deal, like Tanev, that seems to be the only trade destination is the Leafs. I'm sure the Leafs are scared like 30 other NHL teams with remaining eight years left on Weber's deal.

Ok how about you need a shutdown guy or at least someone who is more defensive minded to play against the other teams top line.

As for Thornton, I am not sure it will be his decision to return. Does SJ still want him or do they want to give an up and comer a roster spot?

Gudas can be a decent guy to stick with Gardiner. He can play that stay at home role while Gardiner does what he does.

Actually they are that bad it is just that Anderson bails them out. TOR allows the 4th highest amount of shots in the league. If Anderson goes cold you are trouble.

Really. Shots against may not be all that telling. And you say Andersen bails them out? Actually McIlerney has a better GAA, and better save % than Andersen. So do the Leafs have the two best goalies the league?
Any goalie that gets cold in the playoffs spells trouble for their team.

Andersen has the most shots against in the league.

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. Probably, he has more starts than any other goalie.
The shot against is really kinda meaningless. Are you implying that if one team allows four goals on thirty shots, and another team allows three goals on thirty two shots, the team with the lowest number of shots have better defencemen?
It's similar nonsense on shots on goal for a team. What is the better offensive team.? A team that scores three goals in thirty shots, or a team that scores four goals in twenty five shots.

Lmao, when you are allowing 35 shots per game it’s a problem. Your bias is showing...

No your bias is showing by loving stats, certain stats. Leafs are 4th worse in shots against....Anaheim with their "star" Dmen or 5th, Tampa with Hedman and Stralmen is 8th. So until shots could be broken down in scoring opportunities, caused by defensemen poor play, it's really difficult to say a team has bad defencemen. In a relatively low scoring era, I doubt a team with the 7th best record has a collection of bad defencemen.
But thanks for not answering my questions on my previous comments

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I guess you are missing the point here. The leafs have a young core of forwards that clearly struggle defensively. Adding a steady D man helps negate the mistakes of the kids. Got it?

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Carlson will get between $7M AND $8M on a six, seven or eight-year deal. If WSH wants to keep him, Caps will have to move some bodies/contracts:

hmmm weird

Weird one he signed for 9.5 lol you owe me beers man I told you I'd reply lol

Again Carlson 8x8 weird lol

You still owe me Beers after all my bets I won against you.

Where’s my beer bet money!