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Is this even close to fair? Constructive criticism please...

Créé par: Riddler
Équipe: 2017-18 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 25 févr. 2018
Publié: 25 févr. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Constructive criticism for the love of God please and thank you
Transactions
PIT
  1. McDonagh, Ryan (1 700 000 $ retained)
NYR
  1. Hunwick, Matt
  2. Johnson, Adam
  3. Sheary, Conor
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
Rangers get a B-grade center prospect in Johnson. Sheary could be a product of Sid but he seems to be solid enough and he's "young." Hunwick is for cap reasons. The second round pick instead of a first since McDonagh is having a mediocre year. If it makes it more fair, the pick can be a 2019 1st on condition that the Pens win the cup this season or next season.
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2275 000 000 $69 657 913 $50 000 $622 500 $5 342 087 $
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925 000 $925 000 $
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8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
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640 000 $640 000 $
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1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
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9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
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NMC
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4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
734 167 $734 167 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
AG, AD
UFA - 2
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
6 800 000 $6 800 000 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
692 500 $692 500 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
2 075 000 $2 075 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
625 000 $625 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
612 500 $612 500 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
G
UFA - 3
4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
630 833 $630 833 $ (Bonis de performance257 500 $$258K)
G
UFA - 1
3 333 225 $3 333 225 $
DG
UFA - 5
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DD
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25 févr. 2018 à 13 h 0
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Not even close. You need to look at this from the NYR perspective. They look very much like they are retooling/rebuilding. What does your package offer them if they are doing that? Nothing. McDonagh is premier dman. If at the very least one top prospect and one 1st rounder aren't involved, its probably not a good trade for NYR.
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25 févr. 2018 à 13 h 3
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Not even close. You need to look at this from the NYR perspective. They look very much like they are retooling/rebuilding. What does your package offer them if they are doing that? Nothing. McDonagh is premier dman. If at the very least one top prospect and one 1st rounder aren't involved, its probably not a good trade for NYR.


Sheary is too reliant on Crosby or a top center (which the Rangers don't have) and Johnson isn't a first round prospect. The Rangers are looking for a 1st at least for McDonagh too.
25 févr. 2018 à 13 h 4
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No not even close you'd need to at least add you 2018 1st round pick, Sheary is the only decent piece. Tons of teams can beat your offer. This is atrocious for the Rags.
25 févr. 2018 à 13 h 5
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McDonagh having an off year doesnt lower his value. He’s still worth a #1 Defenseman, so
25 févr. 2018 à 13 h 7
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Nope replace Sheary with Sprong, and still make the pick a 1st.. And no retained salary
25 févr. 2018 à 13 h 13
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Constructive criticism? Okay... so....Penguins fans in general, dig this: your prospect pool is not better than any other team's. Your draft picks are worth the least of any other team's. The guys you just traded for are not worth any more than anyone on any other team.

If a team gives you one of its best players, it wants to get back a couple of spare parts with a fistful of Cup rings between them.

You can totally get out of paying full value for a great player like Brassard by giving back a 17 minute defenseman like Ian Cole to give fans in another city hope for their team's rebuild.

Sheary has that kind of value, even though his success was totally and completely a product of just skating to the net with his stick on the ice while Sidney Crosby did everything.

Your first round pick already IS a second round pick in most teams' minds because you are the presumptive champs this year. And it presumably means nothing to you because the player you take at #31 might not show up until Crosby retires.

Did I say that constructively? Should I be more clear? You're being ridiculously stingy with an asset that is meaningless to you. McDonagh plays over 24 minutes a night in his off year. Cole played 17. You're filling a 3rd pair hole with a 1st pair defenseman and asking if you can get out of giving back literally anything of value.
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25 févr. 2018 à 13 h 44
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Constructive criticism? Okay... so....Penguins fans in general, dig this: your prospect pool is not better than any other team's. Your draft picks are worth the least of any other team's. The guys you just traded for are not worth any more than anyone on any other team.

If a team gives you one of its best players, it wants to get back a couple of spare parts with a fistful of Cup rings between them.

You can totally get out of paying full value for a great player like Brassard by giving back a 17 minute defenseman like Ian Cole to give fans in another city hope for their team's rebuild.

Sheary has that kind of value, even though his success was totally and completely a product of just skating to the net with his stick on the ice while Sidney Crosby did everything.

Your first round pick already IS a second round pick in most teams' minds because you are the presumptive champs this year. And it presumably means nothing to you because the player you take at #31 might not show up until Crosby retires.

Did I say that constructively? Should I be more clear? You're being ridiculously stingy with an asset that is meaningless to you. McDonagh plays over 24 minutes a night in his off year. Cole played 17. You're filling a 3rd pair hole with a 1st pair defenseman and asking if you can get out of giving back literally anything of value.


This. I think the problem with this deal is that is assumes that A) NYR are desperate to deal McDonagh ASAP and B) No other team is interested in McDonagh.

If this is the best offer PIT could make, then fine, but it's not winning a bidding war for a guy like McDonagh.

A guy like Hunwick has no value to the NYR if they are travelling down the re-tool / rebuild stage.

Escalating the 2nd to a 1st would likely need to occur if PIT wins the East, not the Cup, and frankly, you've probably gotta add Sprong

Sheary
Sprong
2019 2nd escalating to a 2019 1st (you're giving up McDonagh for two years, so I'd want compensation based on if PIT wins the East in either year, so I'd defer to 2019)

That's probably the type of deal that at least brings you into the conversation, but even that might not get it done.
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