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Équipe: 2018-19 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 19 janv. 2018
Publié: 19 janv. 2018
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Description
Youth - Speed - Skill.

Notes:
- As indicated, the St. Louis trade occurred at the Feb 2018 deadline, and involved Patrick Maroon going the other way for a Cup run.
- Arizona gives up real assets to acquire a true 1C. Hate to see Draisaitl go - especially when we don't have a real replacement for him, but I think the return is excellent. i recognize that this trade will be unpopular with fans, but unless you're trading with Chiarelli you have to give in order to get.
- Edmonton gets the 1st OA pick (Rasmus Dahlin) and retains there own pick (Adam Boqvist).
- Now overloaded with defensemen, Oilers trade Russell to Buffalo for Girgensons. This helps the Sabres defense, and gives Zigmus a change of scenery. Could he be the next Patrick Maroon?
- Detroit is heading for another cap crunch sitch this summer, I offer a Russian forward that McLellan refuses to play (despite good underlying numbers) - and Detroit knows how to handle Russians - plus an A-level defense prospect who will be ready for sheltered NHL-duty this fall, or, Detroit being Detroit, will go another year in AHL before showing up in the winged wheel.
- The closest comp on the Athansiou contract is Victor Rask. I just went same AAV / same term for simplicity.
- Winnipeg upgrades Enstrom while clearing ice-time and cap space to sign Trouba et al. Edmonton gets a righty (for one year at least) veteran who can help the young Dahlin learn on the fly.
- If Boqvist makes the jump directly to the NHL roster, Benning can be traded. Astute observers in Sweden suggest Boqvist would be best off getting at least one year in SHL - maybe two - but I show him here so you can get an idea of what the possibilities are.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
31 850 000 $
1750 000 $
21 250 000 $
3750 000 $
2750 000 $
84 250 000 $
2750 000 $
3925 000 $
32 250 000 $
64 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Dahlin, Rasmus
3925 000 $
Boqvist, Adam
3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Kyrou, Jordan
Détails additionnels:
Acquired in a deadline deal involving Patrick Maroon
STL
2.
EDM
  1. Fischer, Christian
Détails additionnels:
1st overall pick 2018: Rasmus Dahlin
ARI
  1. Draisaitl, Leon
3.
EDM
  1. Girgensons, Zemgus
BUF
  1. Russell, Kris
4.
EDM
    Rights to Andreas Athanasiou
    DET
    1. Jones, Caleb
    2. Slepyshev, Anton
    3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (EDM)
    5.
    EDM
    1. Myers, Tyler
    WPG
    1. Sekera, Andrej
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2380 000 000 $67 861 997 $0 $2 960 000 $12 138 003 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Athanasiou, Andreas
    4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    McDavid, Connor
    12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 8
    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
    AD
    UFA - 1
    Girgensons, Zemgus
    1 600 000 $1 600 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 3
    Yamamoto, Kailer
    894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance230 000 $$230K)
    AD
    RFA - 3
    Lucic, Milan
    5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Strome, Ryan
    2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 2
    Fischer, Christian
    821 666 $821 666 $ (Bonis de performance230 000 $$230K)
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    Caggiula, Drake
    1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    Khaira, Jujhar
    675 000 $675 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    Malone, Brad
    650 000 $650 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
    Kassian, Zack
    1 950 000 $1 950 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Klefbom, Oscar
    4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
    Larsson, Adam
    4 166 666 $4 166 666 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
    Talbot, Cam
    4 166 666 $4 166 666 $
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    925 000 $925 000 $
    Myers, Tyler
    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Montoya, Al
    1 062 500 $1 062 500 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Nurse, Darnell
    4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
    Boqvist, Adam
    925 000 $925 000 $
    Davidson, Brandon
    750 000 $750 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Benning, Matthew
    1 850 000 $1 850 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2

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    19 janv. 2018 à 15 h 24
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    STL deal doesn’t make sense. A top prospect for Patrick ******* Maroon?
    19 janv. 2018 à 15 h 28
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    Quoting: ShafferPens
    STL deal doesn’t make sense. A top prospect for Patrick ******* Maroon?


    Kyrou was a 2nd round pick, that's reasonable expectations for Maroon, especially if the Oilers add another, lesser piece / retain / take back a bad contract. I clearly stated "a deadline deal involving Patrick Maroon" - I didn't outline exactly how that deal went down. It's more than a little facetious that you give me one star based on *one* of the trades - which you failed to comprehend anyhow.
    19 janv. 2018 à 15 h 31
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    I highly doubt Nurse ties up that many UFA years for that low of a AAV.
    19 janv. 2018 à 15 h 32
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    I also highly doubt Arizona trade the 1st overall pick
    19 janv. 2018 à 15 h 39
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    How many #1 overall picks does EDM need before they finally do something?
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    19 janv. 2018 à 15 h 41
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    Yeah Detroit's not trading Andreas Athanasiou and he's clearly not worth 6 years $24 million.
    19 janv. 2018 à 15 h 43
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    Quoting: CD282
    Kyrou was a 2nd round pick, that's reasonable expectations for Maroon, especially if the Oilers add another, lesser piece / retain / take back a bad contract. I clearly stated "a deadline deal involving Patrick Maroon" - I didn't outline exactly how that deal went down. It's more than a little facetious that you give me one star based on *one* of the trades - which you failed to comprehend anyhow.


    I'm with @ShafferPens here. Kyrou is 2 seasons beyond his draft year, the points-per-game leader in the OHL at 1.97 ppg; he led his gold medal U20 team in scoring, and he's listed near the top in a few prospect rankings. I think it's time to stop referring to him as simply a 2nd round pick and call him a legit top prospect. The draft is just a snapshot in time, he has improved immensely since then (not to mention he was picked at #35, just a few spots out of being a first rounder.)

    Regardless of the other parts involved, I doubt Kyrou goes in a Maroon trade. The Blues don't have any terrible contracts that need to be moved out... the only way I see Kyrou getting moved is for a much bigger piece than Patty Maroon. Realistically, what do you think a Maroon-Kyrou swap could look like?
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    19 janv. 2018 à 15 h 45
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    Quoting: CD282
    Kyrou was a 2nd round pick, that's reasonable expectations for Maroon, especially if the Oilers add another, lesser piece / retain / take back a bad contract. I clearly stated "a deadline deal involving Patrick Maroon" - I didn't outline exactly how that deal went down. It's more than a little facetious that you give me one star based on *one* of the trades - which you failed to comprehend anyhow.


    lol what up with all the oiler fans grossly overvaluing Maroon? He had one good year and is nothing more than a support player. You can ship whatever "lesser piece" or "retain a bad contract," you're not getting a guy like Kyrou for Maroon.
    19 janv. 2018 à 15 h 54
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    I highly doubt Nurse ties up that many UFA years for that low of a AAV.


    Perhaps. Projecting his stats through the end of this season, Nurse will be 23 years old with career numbers of 197 games and 53 points. Going strictly off these three data points, his closest comps include Adam Larsson (22 y-o, 192gp / 51 p, signed 6 x $4.167M), David Savard (24 y-o, 187 gp / 61 p, signed 5 x $4.25M) and Connor Murphy (23 y-o, 181 gp / 32 p, signed 6 x $3.85M).

    Slavin scored more points (54) in over 50 fewer games (145) and signed a 7 x $5.3M deal last summer. I highly doubt Nurse can demand that much. So while my deal might be a little low, it reflects the fact that the team isn't wholly dependent on him going forward, what with Dahlin and Boqvist coming on board.

    Oh, and it's 3 or 4 UFA years that Nurse is "tying up" - on a team with his best friend, roommate and best player in the world, Connor McDavid. I don't see this as a negative for Darnell.
    19 janv. 2018 à 16 h 18
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    I'm with @ShafferPens here. Kyrou is 2 seasons beyond his draft year, the points-per-game leader in the OHL at 1.97 ppg; he led his gold medal U20 team in scoring, and he's listed near the top in a few prospect rankings. I think it's time to stop referring to him as simply a 2nd round pick and call him a legit top prospect. The draft is just a snapshot in time, he has improved immensely since then (not to mention he was picked at #35, just a few spots out of being a first rounder.)

    Regardless of the other parts involved, I doubt Kyrou goes in a Maroon trade. The Blues don't have any terrible contracts that need to be moved out... the only way I see Kyrou getting moved is for a much bigger piece than Patty Maroon. Realistically, what do you think a Maroon-Kyrou swap could look like?


    Kostin then? Blues GM has publicly stated his willingness to trade his "big 4" prospects in order to push this year. I'm not projecting him onto the roster, so I don't mind replacing him with another of the "big 4" if you guys are going to throw hissy fits over it.
    19 janv. 2018 à 16 h 23
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    I also highly doubt Arizona trade the 1st overall pick


    Me too. But it's fun to play GM and make trades - after all, that's why this forum exists!
    19 janv. 2018 à 16 h 30
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    Quoting: CD282
    Kostin then? Blues GM has publicly stated his willingness to trade his "big 4" prospects in order to push this year. I'm not projecting him onto the roster, so I don't mind replacing him with another of the "big 4" if you guys are going to throw hissy fits over it.


    You have a source for that? The only news I've seen is that Kyrou and pick was offered to Ottawa for Mike Hoffman. OTT didn't like it. I don't recall Armstrong saying that he wants to move those guys. In fact here's what he said about Kyrou, Thomas, Kostin, and Thompson in the Athletic story the other day:

    "“This is the most players that I’ve gotten calls on since I’ve been here,” he said. “Every team thinks they have these good prospects until you make a few phone calls and then you realize you may have good prospects, but other teams don’t see them to the level that you do. We have a stable of young players now where they’re coveted. Now it’s time for us to look at where we are today, where we want to be in the next five to 10 years and where they’re going to fit in. We want to keep the guys that best fit into what we have going forward.”

    And I don't see how you think making it Kostin instead of Kyrou makes up for the fact that Maroon isn't worth that much.
    19 janv. 2018 à 16 h 31
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    Quoting: Larkinisking
    Yeah Detroit's not trading Andreas Athanasiou and he's clearly not worth 6 years $24 million.


    Project his stats to the end of the year and then run the comps. Victor Rask is the closest comp, and he signed a 6 x $4M contract. If AA hits 20+ goals and 40+ points this year - as he is projected to do - don't expect his agent to ask for any less.
    19 janv. 2018 à 16 h 33
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    Quoting: CD282
    Kostin then? Blues GM has publicly stated his willingness to trade his "big 4" prospects in order to push this year. I'm not projecting him onto the roster, so I don't mind replacing him with another of the "big 4" if you guys are going to throw hissy fits over it.


    Also this quote, which doesn't really allude to willingness to trade his prospects:
    “We started an organization switch a year ago, a year and half ago, and we gained assets,” Armstrong said.

    The idea was to get younger and faster.

    “I don’t know if our championship window is open now, cracking open now,” Armstrong said. “But I know it’s not in its full swing where it was three or four years ago. So what we want to do is we want to make sure we’re competitive now, pushing to win a championship this year also. But understanding that we have good young pieces coming and we want to protect as many of those as possible.” http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/blues-at-the-break-armstrong-addresses-issues-ponders-trade/article_b6c3eba6-4a55-55a4-86e7-b0af9d89844b.html
    19 janv. 2018 à 17 h 56
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    How many #1 overall picks does EDM need before they finally do something?


    I lost it at work to this haha.
    19 janv. 2018 à 17 h 56
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    Project his stats to the end of the year and then run the comps. Victor Rask is the closest comp, and he signed a 6 x $4M contract. If AA hits 20+ goals and 40+ points this year - as he is projected to do - don't expect his agent to ask for any less.


    victor rasks worst year before this year was better than AA's best year
    20 janv. 2018 à 11 h 21
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    lol what up with all the oiler fans grossly overvaluing Maroon? He had one good year and is nothing more than a support player. You can ship whatever "lesser piece" or "retain a bad contract," you're not getting a guy like Kyrou for Maroon.


    I thought it would be interesting to project Maroon onto the Blues roster for the playoffs, just to see where he fits. I know this won't change your opinion of him (you're a fLames fan after all) but it will address your assertion that he's "nothing more than a support player", even if you can't admit it publicly.

    CAREER PLAYOFF POINTS-PER-GAME

    Tarasenko 0.73
    Stastny 0.64
    Maroon 0.62
    Schwartz 0.61
    Schenn 0.58
    Steen 0.51
    Pietrangelo 0.46
    Parayko 0.39
    Sobotka 0.35

    So they'd be adding another Stastny or Schwartz for the playoffs. That's valuable.

    http://sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/5692/stats
    20 janv. 2018 à 11 h 22
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    victor rasks worst year before this year was better than AA's best year


    Hey, if AA will sign for less, I'm all for it.
    20 janv. 2018 à 18 h 32
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    Quoting: CD282
    I thought it would be interesting to project Maroon onto the Blues roster for the playoffs, just to see where he fits. I know this won't change your opinion of him (you're a fLames fan after all) but it will address your assertion that he's "nothing more than a support player", even if you can't admit it publicly.

    CAREER PLAYOFF POINTS-PER-GAME

    Tarasenko 0.73
    Stastny 0.64
    Maroon 0.62
    Schwartz 0.61
    Schenn 0.58
    Steen 0.51
    Pietrangelo 0.46
    Parayko 0.39
    Sobotka 0.35

    So they'd be adding another Stastny or Schwartz for the playoffs. That's valuable.

    http://sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/5692/stats


    My opinion on him is not based on me being a flames fan. I call it like I see it for anybody, but I get why that's hard for you to understand having your oilers goggles on all the time. But no I'm sure a guy who rode McDavid and Getzlaf's coattails in the post season must be a fantastic play driver that warrants a top prospect. Good luck with that.
    20 janv. 2018 à 20 h 32
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    Quoting: Zeerak
    My opinion on him is not based on me being a flames fan. I call it like I see it for anybody, but I get why that's hard for you to understand having your oilers goggles on all the time. But no I'm sure a guy who rode McDavid and Getzlaf's coattails in the post season must be a fantastic play driver that warrants a top prospect. Good luck with that.


    LOL.
    20 janv. 2018 à 21 h 4
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    Quoting: CD282
    LOL.


    What's the matter? Can't "admit you're wrong publicly?" Sticking Out Tongue
    20 janv. 2018 à 21 h 11
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    Quoting: Zeerak
    What's the matter? Can't "admit you're wrong publicly?" Sticking Out Tongue


    Check McDavid's stats from the playoffs last year. He wasn't dragging Maroon around.
    20 janv. 2018 à 22 h 46
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    Check McDavid's stats from the playoffs last year. He wasn't dragging Maroon around.


    lol referencing one playoff run to justify a player is a dangerous game. We gave Troy Brouwer the contract we did in large part because of his playoff run with the blues. Look how that turned out. But anyways, it's pointless arguing cuz we will find out who's right at the trade deadline when we see the return Maroon fetches. Spoilers: it won't be Kyrou.
     
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