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Forum: Armchair-GM1 mai 2019 à 2 h 13
Forum: Armchair-GM24 avr. 2019 à 15 h 23
Sujet: No Panarin TOR OTT EDM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>His underlying numbers suggest he MIGHT be able to bump his production marginally on a better line than what he's played with, but I have issues with this:

1. Every season he's played, even when the Rangers were still "good" in 16/17, has seen Vesey get absolutely lit up in terms of SF/SA. He's bordering on a career average of 2 shots against for every shot he takes. Is he lazy in terms of a 2-way game, or have the lines he's been stuck on been THAT bad his whole career?
2. This assumes Edmonton is paying for what you <em>think</em> he'll become. If he's been playing his career as a 3rd or 4th liner thus far, he should cost as much as a typical 3rd or 4th liner does. Teams, especially the Oilers, cannot afford to pay a "maybe" tax on their acquisitions. I'd be more comfortable with a 3rd or a 4th with a B-prospect.
3. If the Rangers haven't been good for two years or so, and are committed to a rebuild, what about Vesey's game has kept him buried in the bottom-6 when roster vacancies have opened up via trade? With skilled players being shipped out for picks and prospects, why hasn't he been able to establish himself as a 2nd line forward on a bad team obviously starving for scoring?

Also considering how bad Chiarelli was robbed in the Strome/Spooner trade, I'm incredibly hesitant to bet high on Vesey in addition to what I've brought up above. The Rags have conned the Oilers (read: asshat GM of the century) in the past. It's not a major basis for preventing this trade, but it has to be taken with a grain of salt.</div></div>

1) Yes he used to bleed shots and be a complete one dimensional player, this has actually changed this year and he's even seen time on the PK. He's not going to win any selke's or be in contention, but he's much better than he used to be
2) You either hate or love vesey-- there is no in between. He's good for roughly 20 goals a year, on an edmonton team that struggles to score that isn't bad. He seems to need work on his year round conditioning-- seems to lose steam at times. Obviously with McDavid/Draist/RNH he has better playmakers than he's played with in the bottom six of the rangers, he could probably hit 25-30 goals and 15-20 assists with them.
3) He doesn't have as much as Buchnevich, Lemieux, Zucc( when we had him), Kreider, Chytil and won't have as much as Kravtsov/Kakko/Panarin if they are on the roster next year. He's just had better players (or ones with more potential) ahead of him.
Forum: Armchair-GM23 avr. 2019 à 9 h 7
Sujet: If Skinner Walks NYR WPG ARZ
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mikeyscav</b></div><div>Obviously the analytical people (myself included) are a bit scared off from Risto, but he does have some positives going his way. He’s pretty strong offensively with 4 40+ point seasons under his belt at a young age, can run a power play, is used to heavy minutes (the theory around buffalo is if you reduced these to closer to 20min a night he could become better,) and brings that heavy angry hockey to your defense. I understand anyone’s fear of Ristolainen but he does have things going for him that GMs May fall in love with</div></div>

the thing is, we tried that already. it was called kevin shattenkirk.

Nylander hasn't proven he can stay in the NHL yet either. He's a good prospect do not get me wrong, but his value isn't close to what it used to be as a former #8 overall (rangers have a similar situation with andersson).
Buchnevich has proven he is a really good middle six forward. He still needs to have that true break out season but even if he stays as a 40-50 point middle six forward, I would have major issues of trading him, namestnikov and right now the 18th overall pick (if vegas and carolina win it would be the 16th overall) for Risto and Nylander.
To me, either buchnevich or the 16-18th overall pick hold more value than either of the players coming from buffalo. So essentially it's taking a loss on both and trading Namestnikov for a 7th round pick (maybe a 5th)