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Forum: Armchair-GM23 janv. 2019 à 15 h 5
Sujet: Why Not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesGetTheCup</b></div><div>Definitely agree - would obviously rather move Steen because of his contract, but moving Petro would be more profitable for the Blues. Which honestly is why I did both...

That being said we don't have to re-sign Bob here. It gets us out of Allen's contract which is crucial IMO. That way maybe Bob really turns it on and shows he's elite again so we resign him if it's reasonable. Worst case he walks and we go with Binnington/Husso. I don't hate it.</div></div>

I think if this team wants to move forward, they have to move on from Allen. From what I heard, the Blues have had several trades over the years in place for Steen, but he would not waive his no trade clause. That's what stinks, he controls everything. There may be only a few teams that he would go to, who are those teams???

I also believe that they will trade Petro. Although I think its more than likely an off-season deal. Unless Toronto really wows you with an offer. I dont believe the Blues want to pay him $8m a year for 5-7 years after he turns 30 and has led this team no where. The thing that really sticks out to me is when Petro is hit hard, sat on, cheap shotted, etc.... no one, i mean no one comes to his aid. And this happens a lot. I think it speaks volumes that this kind of stuff happens on a regular basis and there is no response.

The 2 hardest things the Blues need to do, but need to find a way to do... is move Steen and move Allen... and hopefully find a replacement. Getting rid of Petro will be easy and we should be able to haul in a good package for him as well.
Forum: Armchair-GM23 janv. 2019 à 9 h 15
Sujet: Why Not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chopper02</b></div><div>I believe you don't need an elite goaltender to be a Stanley Cup winner as long as they make the saves they need to make and not give up the ones they shouldn't. Murray is a good goaltender, but not elite. Osgood was always good, not great. I agree, move on from Allen, but why not see what Binnington/Husso can do? It'll cost a lot less and we still move on. Goalie has to get his chance somewhere.</div></div>

I completely agree with you on that. I'm not totally against dumping Allen and going with Binny/Husso the rest of the way, but I'm not sure how ideal that is. We do have a good team, yes we play like crap sometimes, but i think the makings a good team are there. It's never a good idea to just throw rookies into the goaltending spotlight as this could hurt their growth. Typically you want a veteran to share the load and work them in. I dont think any team that wants to truly compete would just throw 2 rookie goalies out there and see what happens. Also, with the way Husso has played this year I would be very leery of bringing him up at this point. If you want to go that route, then I think you need to bring in another veteran goalie who can help the young guy(s) along. But I am also getting tired of seeing what our young guys can do... we just can't seem to develop any goalies. Havent in a long time.

Bob is a home run, i get that. I'm not saying thats the only option. If they want to go cheaper and bring in a Talbot type of guy and have him split time with Binny, then thats ok to.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2019 à 14 h 9
Sujet: Why Not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesGetTheCup</b></div><div>yeah, but getting rid of Allen is worth it. I'm not sure you can get that much for Bouw. His metrics are still pretty bad as far as possession goes. I'm sure you could convince an old school GM that he's still good.

I don't like the idea of getting Zaitsev either, but if it means getting a 1st, Kapanen and Liljegren you bite the bullet and then flip him or buy him out.</div></div>

I just read an article on The Athletic by Jeremy Rutherford that had some stats and metrics about the Dman. Jaybo has been much better as of late. I think he is playing himself into at least a 4th, if not maybe even a 3rd if he keeps it up. I still believe we may have to pay part of the salary, but I believe he will definitely garner some interest at the TDL.

Not sure about Zaitsev either..... i dont think they would buy him out... cause they just don't do those types of things. Maybe could flip him, but not sure.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2019 à 14 h 6
Sujet: Why Not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chopper02</b></div><div>You might be able to get rid of Allen to someone else. I don't see Bob signing for any less than 5 years at 8.5 and i wouldn't do that.</div></div>

I'm not sure on how many places are willing to take Allen.... Philly was rumored to be one. I say dump him where ever you can. Based on my stats I listed above, I would give Bob that. The blues have been in goalie limbo for years and havent had a bonafide goalie since Joseph/Fuhr. I believe that Bob is still elite and arguably a top 3-5 goalie in the NHL under the right situation.

If we want to continue with a constant rotation of mediocre goaltending or we want to pin our hopes on a rookie goaltender, then so be it. But I think we all agree we need to move on from Allen... but what are the other options out there? Talbot? He's available, but is that really much better than what you have? Varlamov? Sure if he doesnt re-sign with Avs (which I think he will based on the Avs knowing there isnt much out there to replace him) and he is going to get paid to. Probably not Bob money, but he will get paid. Then what? Howard? I would take him, but I still think Detroit may hold onto him. Elliott? Cam Ward? I dont think so.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2019 à 11 h 28
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2019 à 11 h 24
Sujet: Re-tool while keeping Petro and Tarasenko
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MelonVK</b></div><div>Probably. But there's a market after the season. Varlamov is up too, and Talbot isn't likely to stay. Varly might be the better true #1 option, but Talbot splitting starts with Allen might work for both.
I was theorizing a lot about Schneider to Stl during the 2014-16 years, cause I'm not sure you remember how bad NJD was without Hall, but Schneider was basically saving them away from several top 3 picks</div></div>

I've wondered about Talbot and if we would good. Allen seems to do better when he has a partner that can take some of pressure and workload. I dont know though, been there done that, but because we may not be able to get rid of Allen that may be a possibility. I really think Varlamov stays in CO, how do they let him go and take a risk of not finding another starter. We will see.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2019 à 11 h 19
Sujet: Why Not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesGetTheCup</b></div><div>Sorry I explained wrong. What I meant is that GMs will be able to drive the asking price down because of his poor performance (this year) and his lack of playoff success in general. I personally think he's an elite goalie and would love to have him. (especially by GSAA).</div></div>

I hope that will drive the price down. I get that is a risk, but considering the options.... i would take him in a heartbeat. I still dont think Allen, Blais and a 3rd is enuf though. I dont know if they would want Allen, thats the stickler. I heard Philly had interest in Allen, hopefully. I wonder if Steen would like to go to Columbus, he likes hard nose coaches like Torts...obvious familiarity with the GM Kek.

I dont know, i just hope they can make it work.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2019 à 11 h 9
Sujet: Why Not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesGetTheCup</b></div><div>I figure with Toronto's meh defense the past month or so, they might be more willing. also those are assets that the Blues are totally fine losing.



He's a UFA goalie who isn't performing great right now and has a dodgy history in the playoffs. If they want Kostin or Kyrou, we laugh and hang up. That's not worth it for bob. I'm not sure there is going to be a desperate market for him.</div></div>

We can agree to disagree on this one. There are teams looking for an upgrade in goalie and there are not much to choose from. Next year the only worthwhile free agents are Bob, Varlamov, then it drops to Mike Smith, Jimmy Howard, Cam Talbot... then even further with Elliott and Ward. So there will be a market for Bob for sure.

Also, to back it up with stats....since the 2016-2017 season among starters (over 90 starts in 3 years), Bob ranks #1 in wins with 97, 2nd in GAA with a 2.38 behind only Rask and 2nd in Save with a .922. Last year he was 7th in GAA and 8th in Save%. This year we all know he has struggled. Take out this year (at least 60 starts for 2016-2018).... he is #1 in Wins with 78, #1 in GAA with 2.24 and #2 in Save% with .926 behind only Raanta at .927 with 56 less starts.

So say what you want about how good you think Bob is, but he is considered elite. Stats back it up. I would love to have him on my team.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Larkinisking</b></div><div>Doubt the Blues make the playoff this year, So no way Bobrovsky waives his NMC to go to St Louis.</div></div>

It's been reported that the Blues are one of the teams that Bob has interest in. I would have to go back and find it (if i could), but rumors persist that the Blues have inquired and there is mutual interest.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2019 à 10 h 15
Sujet: Why Not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jfstompers</b></div><div>And then Bob walks as a ufa and your out those assets. If do the Toronto deal if you can get that not sure you can though.</div></div>

To be honest, I may still be willing to do that....even if we lose the assets. I dont think Blais is going to be anything but a 4th liner... maybe a 3rd liner at best. Allen.... just want to move on from him. I would NOT want to lose the 3rd rd pick tho. But if it means getting away from the Allen contract and starting over with the goaltending... then have to consider.

The problem is... if you do that and "start over"... who do you get? If Bob doesnt resign here what are your choices? Not very many. I expect Howard to stay in Detroit and Varlamov in Col... so that leaves you with Talbot????
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2019 à 10 h 0
Sujet: Blues TDL Attempt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shayne42</b></div><div>Probably, but my thoughts are I don’t think Armstrong moves him unless he gets great value. Obviously that could be with different pieces but he absolutely can’t mess up trading a guy like Petro.</div></div>

Money would have to be the same on both sides. I like Kapanen, but i wonder if Nylander is more feasible because of money. Not saying i would want Nylander over Kapanen, just saying the money has to work. Unless the Leafs make another trade to free up space (like revisit with Carolina about Nylander). I really dont want Zaitsev, but if Nylander isnt in the deal he would have to be. It will be a tricky deal because of the finances involved. This is probably why it's more than likely an off-season move.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2019 à 9 h 50
Sujet: Just playing around
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>Nylander has been playing well and all the metrics are there just not showing up on the scoresheets. I completely understand being cautious about it but just watching him play you can see the talent and effort is there. It’s been a frustrating couple of weeks for the leafs. Even Matthews isn’t producing.</div></div>

Yeah, i don't think you can base it off of what he has done so far this year. In most "rumored" deals with the Leafs, whether it's Petro or Parayko, I see Kapanen's name. To make the money work i would think that Nylander is more of a possibility though. Unless Toronto goes back to Carolina to trade Nylander and uses Kapanen to make a trade with us. Who knows. I believe a deal for Petro/Parayko is more likely to happen in the offseason. But if Toronto gets desperate enough, maybe it happens in the next month.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 janv. 2019 à 13 h 39
Sujet: Just playing around
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mobluesfan</b></div><div>I didnt say any of them were slow. But Kyrou is a world class skater with world class speed. That may be all we see right now, but most prospect watchers agree about this. I dont think Blues do Parayko for Nylander, we can agree to disagree on that. I have heard a bit about Lilly, but i would have to hear more to know if I would do that or not. I like Kyrou a lot, Corey Pronman has him as the 6th best prospect in the NHL right now, but we haven't seen much from him in his time in the NHL so far.

As i said though, I really think it's more likely they trade Alex P over Parayko. I dont think they want to re-sign Petro to a 5-7 years for $8M deal. So maybe not during season, unless Leafs really push for it, but i could see more in the offseason. Pretty much a mirror image of the Shattenkirk situation a couple years ago.</div></div>

OK, did some research and this trade is a closer than I originally thought. Would be interesting, would love to have Lilly, would hate to part with Kyrou, so makes sense right? I still think the more likely guy to go is Petro though. Nylander worries me because of the holdout and struggles early on, but he put up 60+ back to back seasons, so you would think he would get back to that level.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 janv. 2019 à 9 h 50
Sujet: Just playing around
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>So nylander And Lilly are slow? Think the trade with kyrou is fair. It’s nylander for parayko and and Lilly for kyrou with a 2nd to help motivate. Like it’s titled I was just playing around with some trades. I don’t think parayko is being moved. But if your moving petro for nylander it will cost you more. The term involved tilts the deal.</div></div>

I didnt say any of them were slow. But Kyrou is a world class skater with world class speed. That may be all we see right now, but most prospect watchers agree about this. I dont think Blues do Parayko for Nylander, we can agree to disagree on that. I have heard a bit about Lilly, but i would have to hear more to know if I would do that or not. I like Kyrou a lot, Corey Pronman has him as the 6th best prospect in the NHL right now, but we haven't seen much from him in his time in the NHL so far.

As i said though, I really think it's more likely they trade Alex P over Parayko. I dont think they want to re-sign Petro to a 5-7 years for $8M deal. So maybe not during season, unless Leafs really push for it, but i could see more in the offseason. Pretty much a mirror image of the Shattenkirk situation a couple years ago.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 janv. 2019 à 16 h 12
Sujet: Re-tool while keeping Petro and Tarasenko
I understand that. I think we have to move on from Allen regardless what anyone thinks of him. His time here has passed and I think he has a better chance of succeeding elsewhere (if at all). I agree on the risk for Schneider, so I agree maybe stay away from him. Contract and term is too much. I would like Brob, but i just dont see them spending the money on him.. unless they get real desperate and decide they need to take the plunge, just not sure he would even want to come here. I think if you bring a Howard or Talbot in it would be an upgrade from a consistency standpoint, which to me is all you need. They are veterans and it would allow Binnington or Husso a couple more years to develop. Recent examples of goalies coming out of nowhere to lead their teams, Matt Murray and Andrei Vasilevskiy. Although Vasilevskiy was a 1st rd pick, Murray was a 3rd rd pick as was Binnington.

I don't know what to do about the goaltending, but I dont think it's wise to keep Allen at all because I dont believe he is part of the future. So if it means you trade him and get a pending UFA goalie and ride Binnie and him for the rest of the year and then start over in the offseason, so be it. Here's hoping that Binnington is another lightning in the bottle...

Take away the Schneider trade.... what about the others? Rumors about Schenn to Boston are all over the place and there was another large Blues scouting contingent at the Boston and Montreal game last night. Just have a feeling Schenn may be traded there...
Forum: Armchair-GM15 janv. 2019 à 10 h 10
Sujet: Re-tool while keeping Petro and Tarasenko
I also understand what you're saying about Binnington, but how many times are Blues fans going to put their hope in a young goalie who has a couple good games? Remember Jake Allen started off the same way. We are 3 points out of a playoff spot right now with games in hand. I don't think you put your trust in a rookie goalie with 3 starts, doesn't matter how good he has looked. You have a back up plan. If you don't like Schneider, I get it. Injuries and age concern me as well, also the $6m a year. I admit thats a risk. Again, these are ideas. What about the other trades?

Of the goalies that seem to be available which would you choose? Brob ( I think he is going to want to much money) Howard, Talbot, Elliott ( I really dont see this happening), Schneider. Unfortunately there doesnt seem to be much out there as far as goalies are concerned.