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Forum: Armchair-GMmar. à 14 h 10
Sujet: Could the Jackets trade Gaudreau
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>squashmaple</b></div><div>I'll save everyone the effort of replying.

The Jersey fans will be extremely mean to you and derisive. Nicknames like "littke Johnny" will be used. Not quite Canes fans reacting to any trade where they tell you they wouldn't touch that player you're proposing sending to them with someone else's 100-ft pole, but pretty close. Gaudreau might be worth another team's fourth rounder to them. Maybe. But even then, he doesn't make sense because they already have one tiny floating playmaker in their top six, and theirs plays center and is a better skater.

Philly fans will probably be happy to unload Atkinson, whom they hate, and Johansen, whom they don't need. They will be big mad about trading a first, though, even if it's not their own and could well be 32nd overall. They're also very obviously rebuilding and it was only by the grace of Torts and Sean Walker that they didn't finish behind Columbus in the standings. They managed to let Jackets defensemen score six goals on them near the end of the season. They're in an even worse spot than Columbus with regard to being truly competitive any time soon.

Both of those groups will point to the most surface level possible stats to say that Gaudreau is a useless waste of space who's totally washed and headed for the retirement home (which is what a garbage heap like Columbus is anyway, being a barren wasteland at every level with no prospect pool or picks or talent anywhere to speak of).

Columbus fans will say there's no way in hell either Atkinson or Johansen would be welcomed back without sweeteners, and especially not for Gaudreau. They will rightly point out that he was still a top-100 5v5 player in the league despite having literally no one to play with. A playmaker without a finisher is just a guy stranded on the ice. And that's not even mentioning the fact Columbus only has the second-worst power play in the league because John Tortorella coaches somewhere else, which means every single Jackets player's point totals are supressed because they're not getting anything on the PP. As with any discussion of trading Laine because money, there's no pressure on Columbus's cap. They don't need to make a move just to make a move. Gaudreau is still the best player on the team (except maybe Werenski, who somehow managed to finish the year with 57 points an even +/- as a defenseman on a bottom-four team with no PP and a collective -63).

No deal for any of the teams involved.</div></div>
The only thing I'd add to this is that I wouldn't object to bringing back Atkinson personally, but that's because I love him dearly and I miss him. The team, however, ought to be taking a position similar to what you've described.
Forum: Armchair-GMmar. à 13 h 10
Sujet: Could the Jackets trade Gaudreau
To summarize more quickly than <a href="/users/squashmaple" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@squashmaple</a>, whose reply is comprehensive: no, absolutely not.

Even if Columbus had an appetite to move him, you'd have to convince JG to waive a full NMC which he took presumably to have stability, which is going to be a no.

Shipping out the biggest UFA the franchise has ever landed 2 years in with 5 years remaining because "oh boo hoo bad team in a retool is bad" is such a bad look/loser mentality. We're probably no more than 2 years away from actually competing if we just hold and play our cards right.

He's happy. He's fine. He'll still be a significant part of the team in a couple years when the majority of the players on the roster actually have a fully-developed prefrontal cortex.
Forum: Armchair-GMmar. à 10 h 57
Sujet: Could the Jackets trade Gaudreau
I'll save everyone the effort of replying.

The Jersey fans will be extremely mean to you and derisive. Nicknames like "littke Johnny" will be used. Not quite Canes fans reacting to any trade where they tell you they wouldn't touch that player you're proposing sending to them with someone else's 100-ft pole, but pretty close. Gaudreau might be worth another team's fourth rounder to them. Maybe. But even then, he doesn't make sense because they already have one tiny floating playmaker in their top six, and theirs plays center and is a better skater.

Philly fans will probably be happy to unload Atkinson, whom they hate, and Johansen, whom they don't need. They will be big mad about trading a first, though, even if it's not their own and could well be 32nd overall. They're also very obviously rebuilding and it was only by the grace of Torts and Sean Walker that they didn't finish behind Columbus in the standings. They managed to let Jackets defensemen score six goals on them near the end of the season. They're in an even worse spot than Columbus with regard to being truly competitive any time soon.

Both of those groups will point to the most surface level possible stats to say that Gaudreau is a useless waste of space who's totally washed and headed for the retirement home (which is what a garbage heap like Columbus is anyway, being a barren wasteland at every level with no prospect pool or picks or talent anywhere to speak of).

Columbus fans will say there's no way in hell either Atkinson or Johansen would be welcomed back without sweeteners, and especially not for Gaudreau. They will rightly point out that he was still a top-100 5v5 player in the league despite having literally no one to play with. A playmaker without a finisher is just a guy stranded on the ice. And that's not even mentioning the fact Columbus only has the second-worst power play in the league because John Tortorella coaches somewhere else, which means every single Jackets player's point totals are supressed because they're not getting anything on the PP. As with any discussion of trading Laine because money, there's no pressure on Columbus's cap. They don't need to make a move just to make a move. Gaudreau is still the best player on the team (except maybe Werenski, who somehow managed to finish the year with 57 points an even +/- as a defenseman on a bottom-four team with no PP and a collective -63).

No deal for any of the teams involved.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 9 h 26
Sujet: Stupid overreaction marner trade for fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>Mangiapane is not worth much. I don’t know why Calgary seems to think he is worth a lot?</div></div>

I don't think Mangiapane is worth a whole lot. However here's why Flames fans love Mangiapane:
1. He's a homegrown talent taken in the 6th round. He kept beating the odds and getting better.
2. He plays much bigger than he is, and with some snarl
3. He's like a dog on a bone, and he finds a way to come out with the puck more often than not
4. He goes to the net and the hard areas
5. He's very good defensively, and has great analytics
6. He scored 35 goals, through hard work, and it didn't look like a fluke
7. His game much like Bennett's, seems as though it gets better in the playoffs.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 9 h 3