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Forum:
Armchair-GM
3 mai 2023 à 15 h 12
Sujet:
retool
Would love Carlo in EDM, pair him with Nurse. However they have little to no cap, so much so that BOS would have to take back Ceci+ in order to make this work.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
2 mai 2023 à 15 h 30
Sujet:
Tough Decisions Incoming
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>1. The Dobson contract (4mil * 3)
2. Yamamoto is the forward that should go while the Dman depends on who's made available in the offseason (lean towards moving Ceci)
3. McLeod ~2mil for 3 or 4 years and Kostin ~1mil for 1 or 2 years to prove himself
4. Janmark is the easiest to retain at around his current cap hit; would be nice to retain Bjugstad but it'd have to be for pretty cheap
5. Might be some interesting options
6. Broberg and Holloway settled in nicely in the latter half and Lavoie took some big steps in consistency; Bourgault benefits from another year in the AHL</div></div>
1. I would be very cautious of lining up Bouchards contract with McDavids, I've had this debate a few times and if you could go 4 years it puts you past CM97 next deal. But as for a comp its great, I just worry about the timing of it.
2. I wouldn't bet on Yamo being dealt, he seems to be a very popular player in the room and amongst the coaches. That being said I tend to agree with you, especially if the return for him is greater than that of Foegeles. My guess is Kulak being dealt for the simple fact Ceci is Nurse's partner and they seem locked into that pairing. Additionally Kulak occupies what we all assume to be Brobergs spot making him all the more likely to be the cap casualty.
3. My guess is they bridge Mcloed beyond the Neal buyout years. Kostin might be playing on a qualifying offer contract ($787,500 according to CapFriendly Calculator)
4. Thats the thing I wouldn't offer Janmark a raise, I would offer him the same deal hes currently on. Regarding Bjugstad, I'd be willing to go $1.5M 2-3 years. Being a RHC is important to this team.
5. With the cap likley jumping in two seasons EDM should look at guys like Ryan and 35+ players (Perry, Toews, Staal) to build around the edges and carry over their cap hits into 2024
6. The prospect I'm most curious about whether or not he will make an impact in years to come is Noah Philp, Could be that big RHC that replaces Bjugstad in a few seasons. Agreed that broberg, holloway and lavoie took steps and I hope each can be contributing members of the Oil next season. Bourgault will need to make an AHL impact next year before anyone considers him ready.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
2 mai 2023 à 13 h 13
Sujet:
Tough Decisions Incoming
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oilersguy</b></div><div>bro. the caps aren't doing that</div></div>
Ok
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 avr. 2023 à 18 h 19
Sujet:
2023 Offseason
Foegele isn't going to be a cap dump, useful player entering the final year of a contract.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
25 avr. 2023 à 11 h 47
Sujet:
35 and Over Deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>I'm totally fine with a 3-year bridge for Bouchard. Ekholm's contract will expire at the same time, as will Kane's. There will be plenty of money to give Bouch a long-term contract at that time.
Noah Dobson's 3 year, $12M deal remains the closest comp.</div></div>
Great Comp but here is the issue with doing that deal as I see Edmonton's future:
Cap Help
- Kane, Kulak & Ekholm deals expire
- salary cap increase (could be substantial)
- Campbell Buyout?
Cap Concerns
- Holloway & Bourgault 2nd contract
- Broberg & Lavoie 2nd or 3rd contracts
- Mcleod 3rd line center contract
- Skinner starter money contract
- Bouchard big money contract
- Leon Draisaitl MAX contract pending
- Connor McDavid MAX contract pending (following season)
So yes you are seeing some alleviation with the cap in 3 seasons however you are pushing 3 monster deals within a year of each other, while also needing to replace the talents of those outgoing players.
Additionally bridging Bouchard eats up lots of RFA years, you push him closer to UFA and if you do go bridge to max term your signing a 26/27 year old deep into his 30's when a players production will begin to fall.
I just think that EDM should be able to look back at two of their own previous signings and pick the better path (Klefbom long term vs Nurse bridge to bridge to bad).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. 2023 à 15 h 6
Sujet:
35 and Over Deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>I don't feel obligated to respond to every point in your 1000 word post, lol. At the end of the day you have a bunch of guys playing above their established level of ability, having dumped the established guys without adequate replacement. That's simply not something Holland and Woodcroft would do, as shown by their past history.
Also, looking at Holland's body of work I'd say Bouchard is heading for a bridge deal.</div></div>
Only respond to what fits your narrative.
Sadly guys playing above their "ability" is todays NHL, hard cap makes it impossible to keep everyone. ELC's need to contribute in order for teams like EDM to be successful.
IF Holland bridges Bouchard that could be a major mistake, they need to lock as many core pieces up beyond the McD/Drai window as possible. This will likely be the only opportunity for Holland to lock up Bouchard at a number that doesn't start with an 8 or higher.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. 2023 à 14 h 14
Sujet:
35 and Over Deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Woodcroft has Ceci playing among the toughest minutes in the league. He had Kulak sheltered as much as possible in the 2nd pairing role BEFORE the deadline, guess which guy they decided to upgrade? To suggest that Kulak and Broberg (playing 2nd pairing on the wrong side!) can replace Ceci tells me you don't actually understand QoC at all. But Woodcroft certainly does, so I'm confident that Edmonton will never do the things you're suggesting - including Bouchard at 1RD and Holloway on the 1st line.</div></div>
You are ignoring 75% of my response because it provides logic to my stance.
I never once suggested Ceci wasn't a good player but ignoring the salary component attached to a player is looking at the problem with 1 eye closed. Edmonton once again is facing a cap crunch, saving $500K is critical to them fielding a strong team again.
Hahaha its sad that when people don't have an argument they just start throwing random things out. We all understand quality of competition, you're trying to change the narrative away from my points which is internal development and promotion are critical to EDM maintaining a competitive team.
Because you seem incapable of following along, answer this: How would you resign Bouchard to a long term deal, assuming the deal is $5.5m to $6.0m? Considering your stance on Ceci and Yam, who do you move in order to make space? Cap is assumed to be $83.5m .
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. 2023 à 13 h 36
Sujet:
35 and Over Deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>You didn't effectively replace Yamamoto or Ceci.
Broberg is already on the roster, Holloway and Lavoie are available already. So you removed a top-6 forward and a 1st pairing defenseman and replaced them with an over-35 13th forward. If you can't see how that's worse then I can't be of much help to you.</div></div>
Ya I don't think you're looking at this with open mind.
- Broberg hasn't played a feature role with the Oilers yet which is where I have elevated him too. It is my belief that he and Kulak can all but replace Ceci's minutes at a cheaper rate.
- Holloway and Lavoie will be featured in the lineup because teams need players on ELC's or sub-million dollar deals to contribute. They will take much of the minutes that Yam was playing at 5v5. The PK minutes will likely fall to Foegele with an outside chance that Holloway sees some.
- Suggesting Ceci is a 1st pair defencemen is a disservice to your argument, same as calling Yamamoto a top-6 forward. Neither player contributes at the level that they too in order to be considered in that light. Furthermore EDM has its 1st pair RHD that they need to prioritize and that is Evan Bouchard. Moving Ceci in order to afford a long term deal for Bouchard makes plenty of sense.
- Suggesting the only replacement is Cogliano is silly, internal development from Broberg, Holloway and Lavoie needs to occur and be encouraged by management.
The way I see it is you are putting no stock in the young players abilities to step up and contribute. Bouchard will continue to take on more and more, Broberg will take a step forward in his development. Holloway and Lavoie need to be afforded the opportunity to contribute.
I don't see the team in a worse position, yes they are down 3 veteran NHLers but not giving the youth an opportunity to play isn't helpful and neither is being short cap that needs to be used in locking up Bouchard long term. But in your own words "If you can't see how that's worse then I can't be of much help to you."
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. 2023 à 12 h 37
Sujet:
35 and Over Deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>You've made the team worse though - what was the point in that?</div></div>
How is the team worse?
Out: Yamamoto, Ceci and Janmark
In: Holloway, Broberg, Cogliano and Lavoie
Holloway will contribute to the team next year, Lavoie has an outside shot to help the team.
Kulak is cheaper than Ceci and able to play both sides of the ice, Foegele is cheaper than Yam and brings an element that Yams does not.
Kostin over Janmark is on spot that I could agree but that is why you bring in Cogliano.
At the end of the day the point is to maintain as much of the current roster without sacrificing a Bouchard long term deal.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 mars 2023 à 10 h 51
Sujet:
Bertuzzi and Bouchard
Holland says thanks, much like Waddell did a few years ago, for doing his summer work for him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
8 mars 2023 à 17 h 50
Sujet:
Looking at Next Year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TraderJoes</b></div><div>Why is Janmark getting so much? You can find 6 goal scorers for a lot less. Interesting that you have him ahead of Kostin, who has been much better.
This looks pretty reasonable though. I do expect Holland to make some larger moves in the summer.</div></div>
Janmark over Kostin is not a personal preference, it is solely based on Woody's deployment. There is definitely a bias there with the coach and the lineup is indicative of that.
As for Major moves, I want to believe that is a possibility however, unless this teams falls flat on its face come playoff time, I don't see major changes coming for a few reasons.
1. Cap constraints: EDM only has $8.5M in cap space to sign 6-8 roster players (21-23 man roster) including key RFA's (Bouchard and McLoed)
2. Ekholm: I have a hunch that Holland had 1 bullet left when it came to making the big acquisition. He has shown in his time here he would prefer to not deal 1st round picks and in moving 2 to get Ekholm I highly doubt we will see another moved before the 2024 TDL.
3. LTIR: with Klefbom and Smiths deal finally off the books EDM will be out of LTIR and therefore will be able to accrue space throughout the year, Major moves would likely bring them right to the cap as big time players often carry big time cap hits. This would limit EDMs deadline space
The way I see it with the group is Holland has his core and complimentary players, he wont look to add another major piece in the offseason. He will likely look to tinker at or near the deadline using his accrued cap space. Furthermore he will give the young guns (Desharnais, Holloway, Broberg, Lavoie, Bourgault) as much runway as he can.
Would I Love to see a creative way to add Erik Karlsson absolutely I would but I genuinely don't believe Holland will go that route.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 févr. 2023 à 14 h 29
Sujet:
Kane LTIR and Deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NoVaSpartan</b></div><div>I don't see the Caps accepting, don't think they want the two extra years associated with Ceci.</div></div>
Caps are not entering a full rebuild, they are punting this year by the looks of things. They will reload and go for it again next year, Ceci is a decent 2nd-3rd pair RHD.
EDM just needs a different stylistic player to pair with Nurse imo.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
22 févr. 2023 à 17 h 45
Sujet:
Jensen and Eller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>qc14</b></div><div>I would probably take this. I know fans see Ceci as a negative but most GMs would probably see a perfectly fine defender locked up for two more years ...</div></div>
One thing I thought about while doing this AGM was the fact that WSH isn't going to go full rebuild, they are still in the Ovi era and would likely retool rather than rebuild. Ceci is, as you stated, under contract for two more seasons and if they feel like they will lose Jensen this offseason why not flip him for a decent 2nd / 3rd pair RHD?
Adding Eller into the deal is maybe where WSH says no.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
22 févr. 2023 à 13 h 52
Sujet:
Jensen and Eller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ClockReads2113</b></div><div>If you want the Caps to take back bad Ceci for an extra 2 years you'll have to pay more than that. I know Ceci isn't terrible, he's useful bottom pairing guy but the contract is bad. If you need money eaten we'll take Poolparty off your hands.</div></div>
Thats fair, a better prospect makes sense for WSH as they are still in a win now mode
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 févr. 2023 à 15 h 57
Sujet:
Stylistic Fit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>I can all but assure you the Blues do not want Yama.</div></div>
Can you tell me the NHL GM who drafted Yamamoto and furthermore what organization now employs him, along with his role for context?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 févr. 2023 à 15 h 54
Sujet:
Stylistic Fit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kyle_Davidson</b></div><div>How is Sam Lafferty not an uptempo guy?</div></div>
He does not historically drive offense, a 5% bump in career shooting %.
Absolutely not worth the rumoured ask
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 févr. 2023 à 15 h 26
Sujet:
My TDL rev2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldBoisClubSandwich</b></div><div>Chych >>> Nurse
not even close in skill, and he's less than half the cap hit</div></div>
OK, the lineup construction wasn't really the point of my AGM.
I bet if EDM landed Chychrun you'd see he and Nurse playing roughly the same amount of minutes. Possibly even together.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
2 févr. 2023 à 14 h 19
Sujet:
My TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Adding in Foegele is a real problem, but they might just bite the bullet and accept anyway. Depends on what the less troublesome offers have in their baskets.</div></div>
The second 2nd round pick is what I considered payment for taking on the Foegele contract
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 janv. 2023 à 12 h 36
Sujet:
Adding a 4th Line C and Defensive D
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tennisman142</b></div><div>The biggest reason why stl doesn't do this is because you can only retain on 3 contracts. If we are trading ROR and Tarasenko and Barbashev we will be retaining on them and not Acciari and Mikkola. They already have a low enough salary where we don't need to retain on them</div></div>
Thats very fair, good points
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 janv. 2023 à 10 h 35
Sujet:
Kenny its time to wake up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NickC1988</b></div><div>Noel Acciari and Jaycob Megna are not going to move the needle for this team. Jonah Gadjovich is nothing. This team needs to unload Foegele and get two roster players back.</div></div>
I don't disagree, issue is EDM is so tight to the cap and their support players have no little to no value. Acciari would be a good 3rd/4th line add, Megna is a depth add at best and Gadjovich is nothing more than someone to play against CGY when they try their antics.
I can understand the hesitancy to deal for Chychrun based solely on the expected price. That being said at some point they need to address the elephant in the room.
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Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 16 h 21
Sujet:
Kenny its time to wake up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rob32sjsharks</b></div><div>Sharks take that and run lol.
both players have positive metrics on an sub par team and add grit and toughness to a roster but are not much more than depth players, though Megna is looking very much like this years Middleton find (slightly older big D who teammates love and ends up becoming a stable top 4 D)
sharks have been so good at finding guys like him and building them up (Dillon, Braun, Demello Middleton and Megna) over the years.</div></div>
I know you think it's likely highway robbery but EDM is in the peculiar position of needing to pay in order to have someone take Foegele and additionally have salary retained on Gadjovich.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
22 déc. 2022 à 11 h 34
Sujet:
Yes sir
Where is Bouchard, the minors?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
22 déc. 2022 à 11 h 32
Sujet:
Steveyyyyy
I could see a JP for Zadina swap, my issue with that is EDM needs centers. And Zadina is a pure winger is he not?
I would be targeting Ras if I were EDM, obviously the cost would be different
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 déc. 2022 à 18 h 47
Sujet:
is this the rumored ask
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zmach</b></div><div>In actual fact if edmonton makes the 3rd round in playoffs again the salary cap goes up by 4 million.</div></div>
It will take more than EDM making the 3rd round of playoffs to pay back the $70M owed by the players to the league. I listened to the Seravalli interview as well ....
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Armchair-GM
14 déc. 2022 à 12 h 54
Sujet:
is this the rumored ask
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zmach</b></div><div>I think edmonton gets a top 6 winger in free agency making bourgault not as much of a loss.</div></div>
If the cap goes up $1M how does EDM afford a top six RW?
Even if the league and PA finds a way of increasing the cap to $85M adding a $4M to $6M player seems very difficult
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